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	<title>Comments on: Republican Honor Roll on the Torture-Tribunals Bill</title>
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	<description>Author James Bovard</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5151</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the best summary I have seen on the nuts-and-bolts of the torture compromise legislation:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/53539/print/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the best summary I have seen on the nuts-and-bolts of the torture compromise legislation:<br />
<a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/53539/print/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theonion.com/content/node/53539/print/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5072</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - thanks for posting the letter from your congressman.

It is such a heap of hooey I don't know where to begin dissecting.  There are so many charades about this bill.  I will write more on this later - trying to get up to speed right now on the latest (Friday morn) developments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John - thanks for posting the letter from your congressman.</p>
<p>It is such a heap of hooey I don&#8217;t know where to begin dissecting.  There are so many charades about this bill.  I will write more on this later - trying to get up to speed right now on the latest (Friday morn) developments.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5071</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan - if we had good judges who upheld the Constitution, I would agree.

I think some provisions of the act may get struck down - but it would be naive to put great faith in this happening.

Americans cannot count on former prosecutors wearing bat suits to save the Bill of Rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan - if we had good judges who upheld the Constitution, I would agree.</p>
<p>I think some provisions of the act may get struck down - but it would be naive to put great faith in this happening.</p>
<p>Americans cannot count on former prosecutors wearing bat suits to save the Bill of Rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kerner</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5069</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kerner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am disappointed to see my own Democratic congress critter (Dennis Moore) on the list who voted for the bill.  I met him at a campaign stop just 2 weeks ago and asked him about torture.  He made it seem that he was against torture and for civil liberties. Goes to show you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am disappointed to see my own Democratic congress critter (Dennis Moore) on the list who voted for the bill.  I met him at a campaign stop just 2 weeks ago and asked him about torture.  He made it seem that he was against torture and for civil liberties. Goes to show you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Original Steve</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5063</link>
		<dc:creator>Original Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone provide a link to the actual bill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone provide a link to the actual bill?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5058</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Senate passed this bill a short while ago. 

Jim,

I don't see how this law can be passed in any legal manner. I would think that it could be appealed and overturned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Senate passed this bill a short while ago. </p>
<p>Jim,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how this law can be passed in any legal manner. I would think that it could be appealed and overturned.</p>
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		<title>By: Original Steve</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5057</link>
		<dc:creator>Original Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep up the good work, Jim....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep up the good work, Jim&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: John M Shaw</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5056</link>
		<dc:creator>John M Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

FYI - here is Congressman Sherrod Brown's response to an email I sent to his office chastisting his vote as not being very "progressive." 

Yesterday, Congressman Brown voted for a bill that creates a military tribunal to try those enemy combatants that have been held by the government since September 11, 2001.

 

This compromise is supported by Senator John McCain, a former POW who fought to ensure that this tribunal lives up to our national standards on human rights.

 

Unlike President Bush's plan, this compromise measure prohibits the degrading treatment of detainees and specifically lists the types of behaviors that are banned in accordance with the Geneva Conventions.

 

The Washington Post wrote about the legislation, "The compromise legislation does not seek to narrow U.S. obligations under the Geneva Conventions in the treatment of prisoners, as Bush had hoped."

 

Those detained have been held for more than 5 years with no opportunity to prove their guilt or innocence.

 

It will provide that opportunity, so that those who are innocent can be set free and those who are guilty can be punished.

 

The bill prohibits the use of cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment of detainees. Because that evidence is often unreliable, it will not admit evidence obtained through torture

 

Detainees will be entitled to Combatant Status Review, where they may challenge their detention within the confines of the military tribunal system.

 

And the bill will allow combatants to receive an edited version of classified evidence being used to convict them so that they can respond without putting our national security at risk.

 

Congressman Brown feels it has taken far too long for a legal framework to be developed – for the innocent who must be freed, the guilty that must be punished, and our homeland which must be secured.

 
Jim - I would appreciate your rebuttal, since I haven't read the bill. But it sounds like a copout, hiding behind John McCain. Your take? 

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>FYI - here is Congressman Sherrod Brown&#8217;s response to an email I sent to his office chastisting his vote as not being very &#8220;progressive.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yesterday, Congressman Brown voted for a bill that creates a military tribunal to try those enemy combatants that have been held by the government since September 11, 2001.</p>
<p>This compromise is supported by Senator John McCain, a former POW who fought to ensure that this tribunal lives up to our national standards on human rights.</p>
<p>Unlike President Bush&#8217;s plan, this compromise measure prohibits the degrading treatment of detainees and specifically lists the types of behaviors that are banned in accordance with the Geneva Conventions.</p>
<p>The Washington Post wrote about the legislation, &#8220;The compromise legislation does not seek to narrow U.S. obligations under the Geneva Conventions in the treatment of prisoners, as Bush had hoped.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those detained have been held for more than 5 years with no opportunity to prove their guilt or innocence.</p>
<p>It will provide that opportunity, so that those who are innocent can be set free and those who are guilty can be punished.</p>
<p>The bill prohibits the use of cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment of detainees. Because that evidence is often unreliable, it will not admit evidence obtained through torture</p>
<p>Detainees will be entitled to Combatant Status Review, where they may challenge their detention within the confines of the military tribunal system.</p>
<p>And the bill will allow combatants to receive an edited version of classified evidence being used to convict them so that they can respond without putting our national security at risk.</p>
<p>Congressman Brown feels it has taken far too long for a legal framework to be developed – for the innocent who must be freed, the guilty that must be punished, and our homeland which must be secured.</p>
<p>Jim - I would appreciate your rebuttal, since I haven&#8217;t read the bill. But it sounds like a copout, hiding behind John McCain. Your take? </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: John M Shaw</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5055</link>
		<dc:creator>John M Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

FYI - here is Congressman Sherrod Brown's response to an email I sent to his office chastisting his vote as not being very "progressive." I would appreciate your rebuttal, since I haven't read the bill. But it sounds like a copout, hiding behind John McCain. Your take? Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>FYI - here is Congressman Sherrod Brown&#8217;s response to an email I sent to his office chastisting his vote as not being very &#8220;progressive.&#8221; I would appreciate your rebuttal, since I haven&#8217;t read the bill. But it sounds like a copout, hiding behind John McCain. Your take? Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5051</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had a better answer.

People can get informed -  make it hot for their congressmen when they come to town - hammer the talk show call-ins and letters to the editor -- ...

I have some other ideas I am chewing on - will probably write 'em up next week.

A vote can sometimes make a difference, if the government doesn't rig the machines and erase it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had a better answer.</p>
<p>People can get informed -  make it hot for their congressmen when they come to town - hammer the talk show call-ins and letters to the editor &#8212; &#8230;</p>
<p>I have some other ideas I am chewing on - will probably write &#8216;em up next week.</p>
<p>A vote can sometimes make a difference, if the government doesn&#8217;t rig the machines and erase it.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5050</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So dear Bovard, what can the immoral little people do, other than become righteously cranky about the madness of what is taking place in this country? 

Does a vote even make a difference any more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So dear Bovard, what can the immoral little people do, other than become righteously cranky about the madness of what is taking place in this country? </p>
<p>Does a vote even make a difference any more?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5049</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since Congress just retroactively decriminalized torture (at least by CIA agents), then maybe they could also pass a bill retroactively decriminalizing unlicensed cranking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since Congress just retroactively decriminalized torture (at least by CIA agents), then maybe they could also pass a bill retroactively decriminalizing unlicensed cranking.</p>
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		<title>By: lawhobbit</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5048</link>
		<dc:creator>lawhobbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh that's a fine thing to find out after all these years - that the crank I've enjoyed has been unlicensed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh that&#8217;s a fine thing to find out after all these years - that the crank I&#8217;ve enjoyed has been unlicensed!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5047</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not being permitted to enroll in the school also meant that I could not take the government occupational-certification exam.

But at least I can still be an unlicensed crank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not being permitted to enroll in the school also meant that I could not take the government occupational-certification exam.</p>
<p>But at least I can still be an unlicensed crank.</p>
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		<title>By: lawhobbit</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/09/27/republican-honor-roll-on-the-torture-tribunals-bill/#comment-5046</link>
		<dc:creator>lawhobbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That just shows how biased the process is against overachievers, I guess. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That just shows how biased the process is against overachievers, I guess. <img src='http://jimbovard.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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