Comments on: Bush’s Torture Ticking Time Bomb http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/12/03/bushs-torture-ticking-time-bomb/ Author James Bovard Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:31:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Saturdaynightspecial http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/12/03/bushs-torture-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-9683 Saturdaynightspecial Tue, 05 Dec 2006 05:14:54 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/12/03/bushs-torture-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-9683 For this alone, Bush should be impeached. Anyway, this is the true nature of neoconservative - butchers in the name of a god. Now we know these people leading our country are as dumb as animals. And, that Preacher Wilson was just as bad. And get this: Democrats will behave as though they would never do this, but the truth is it's just an excuse to gain power. All this is the true nature of this country. I'll bet Jose Padilla had zero information to offer the CIA. For this alone, Bush should be impeached. Anyway, this is the true nature of neoconservative - butchers in the name of a god. Now we know these people leading our country are as dumb as animals. And, that Preacher Wilson was just as bad.

And get this: Democrats will behave as though they would never do this, but the truth is it’s just an excuse to gain power. All this is the true nature of this country.

I’ll bet Jose Padilla had zero information to offer the CIA.

]]> By: Jim http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/12/03/bushs-torture-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-9652 Jim Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:41:00 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/12/03/bushs-torture-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-9652 Clyde Wilson originally posted a comment to my prior blog after he saw the hard copy version of this torture story. With his OK, I am reposting his comment and my reply here: <em>Clyde N. Wilson Comment on Sunday 3rd December 2006 @ 2:13 pm</em> <em>Mr. Bovard, I am a great admirer of your books and other writings but want to politely take acception to your aticle in the Dec. 28 TAC on torture. You refer to the horrid MCA as the most disgraceful act since the Fugitive Slave Law. Like most Americans, you overlook the use of military commissions (including unjustified and indefinite imprisonment and execution) by the U.S. Government against Southern civilians in the period 1861–1876. Everything done and proposed by Bush was done under Lincoln and Grant, except that it was used against American civilians and not foreign soldiers.</em> I replied to his comment:  How many of the atrocities by the Union forces 1861+ were authorized by specific acts of Congress? Clyde Wilson originally posted a comment to my prior blog after he saw the hard copy version of this torture story. With his OK, I am reposting his comment and my reply here:

Clyde N. Wilson
Comment on Sunday 3rd December 2006 @ 2:13 pm

Mr. Bovard, I am a great admirer of your books and other writings but want to politely take acception to your aticle in the Dec. 28 TAC on torture. You refer to the horrid MCA as the most disgraceful act since the Fugitive Slave Law. Like most Americans, you overlook the use of military commissions (including unjustified and indefinite imprisonment and execution) by the U.S. Government against Southern civilians in the period 1861–1876. Everything done and proposed by Bush was done under Lincoln and Grant, except that it was used against American civilians and not foreign soldiers.

I replied to his comment:  How many of the atrocities by the Union forces 1861+ were authorized by specific acts of Congress?

]]> By: John Lowell http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/12/03/bushs-torture-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-9580 John Lowell Mon, 04 Dec 2006 05:36:09 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/12/03/bushs-torture-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-9580 There is a observable relegation of the faith to the hindmost among such people, Jim, and a curious absolutization of the political. Even on life questions where the convictions of the main players are so well known there have been capitulations to the Regime when it was felt politically necessary, notably Fr. Neuhaus' reluctance to criticize the Bush stem-cell compromise when the Vatican had in 2001 or James Dobson's outspoken support of it. And on the matter of pre-emptive war there have been no louder supporting voices than those of these two. Now comes this torture apologetic in the Catholic blogosphere. What torture has to do with Jesus Christ utterly escapes me. John Lowell There is a observable relegation of the faith to the hindmost among such people, Jim, and a curious absolutization of the political. Even on life questions where the convictions of the main players are so well known there have been capitulations to the Regime when it was felt politically necessary, notably Fr. Neuhaus’ reluctance to criticize the Bush stem-cell compromise when the Vatican had in 2001 or James Dobson’s outspoken support of it. And on the matter of pre-emptive war there have been no louder supporting voices than those of these two. Now comes this torture apologetic in the Catholic blogosphere. What torture has to do with Jesus Christ utterly escapes me.

John Lowell

]]> By: Jim http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/12/03/bushs-torture-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-9578 Jim Mon, 04 Dec 2006 04:36:53 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/12/03/bushs-torture-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-9578 John - I have been surprised at how many religious folks have spoken up in defense of torture -- or at least offered all sorts of extenuating rationales for barbarism. Don't know if we can revive a functioning Republic but I expect the next few months should offer some damn good entertainment either way. John - I have been surprised at how many religious folks have spoken up in defense of torture — or at least offered all sorts of extenuating rationales for barbarism.

Don’t know if we can revive a functioning Republic but I expect the next few months should offer some damn good entertainment either way.

]]> By: John Lowell http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/12/03/bushs-torture-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-9576 John Lowell Mon, 04 Dec 2006 04:27:09 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2006/12/03/bushs-torture-ticking-time-bomb/#comment-9576 Happy to learn that TAC will be running your piece, Jim. It needs running, believe me. As a Catholic, I'm particularly sad to report that even in some quarters of the self-described "orthodox" Catholic blogosphere, not unexpectedly the self same parts that have resently offered support for pre-emptive war logic in opposition to the perspective of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI, a slick and nauseating apologetic for torture has begun to appear. These folks, together with their Christian Zionist Einsatzgruppen pals, make for a kind of latter day Reichs Church, just the right audience one might find for the "Enabling Act" legislation to which you refer. I'm beginning to despair that the MCA will survive the new Congress. I'm pessimistic about our ever recovering our democracy. John Lowell Happy to learn that TAC will be running your piece, Jim. It needs running, believe me. As a Catholic, I’m particularly sad to report that even in some quarters of the self-described “orthodox” Catholic blogosphere, not unexpectedly the self same parts that have resently offered support for pre-emptive war logic in opposition to the perspective of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI, a slick and nauseating apologetic for torture has begun to appear. These folks, together with their Christian Zionist Einsatzgruppen pals, make for a kind of latter day Reichs Church, just the right audience one might find for the “Enabling Act” legislation to which you refer. I’m beginning to despair that the MCA will survive the new Congress. I’m pessimistic about our ever recovering our democracy.

John Lowell

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