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	<title>Comments on: Happy &#8220;Mission Accomplished&#8221; Anniversary</title>
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		<title>By: Ann Le Messurier</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/04/30/happy-mission-accomplished-anniversary/#comment-118709</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Le Messurier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim I am interested in your comment on your family "The Oban Stevenson's".
I am a great great grand daughter of John Stevenson, born 1800, please contact me when you have time I would love to talk about  the family
thanks
Ann Le Messurier</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim I am interested in your comment on your family &#8220;The Oban Stevenson&#8217;s&#8221;.<br />
I am a great great grand daughter of John Stevenson, born 1800, please contact me when you have time I would love to talk about  the family<br />
thanks<br />
Ann Le Messurier</p>
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		<title>By: Fun With War Crimes</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/04/30/happy-mission-accomplished-anniversary/#comment-112954</link>
		<dc:creator>Fun With War Crimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MISSION ACCOMPLISHED ... what a joke. We knew it when it was spoken but even more ironic now.
-Fun With War Crimes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MISSION ACCOMPLISHED &#8230; what a joke. We knew it when it was spoken but even more ironic now.<br />
-Fun With War Crimes</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk W. Sabin</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/04/30/happy-mission-accomplished-anniversary/#comment-69269</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To W. Baker: placing all the blame for His Chimpanzexcellency on Connecticut ignores the special relationship and final grooming the strutting martinette had with his beloved Texas. Nutmeggers may be provincial, cantankerous and seek commercial dominance but they aint normally Empire Building Firebrands in the manner of the Texans. Home rule is still a treasured concept in our smaller Town-Meeting villages.

After all, El Mission Accomplishensis II and his Poppy received their most important lessons in Texas. As reported in Eisenhower's autobiography of his first administration: It seems Ike used the example of Senator Bush (grandpappy)as one of the reasons he intended to veto or oppose an Oil Industry related Bill. They had gotten word that some Texas Oil Baron was complaining bitterly about all the money he donated to Senator Bushes (Prescott) campaigns and how the "ingrate" was now ammending a bill against their wishes. He told all present that Senator Bush aint gonna get no more of his black-gold funding and furthermore, his son (Poppy, GHW) "aint gonna get any business from my friends neither"....   or words to that effect. Some may say this illustrates the Senator being ethical despite his industry funding but I really think they got an early Texas lesson and never forgot it.

As to Forrest, I once asked a former Army officer who went to West Point and his two compadres from the alma mater if they had discussed Forrest in Guerilla War strategy courses. None of them, and these were no dopes... had ever heard of or knew of Forrest! 

 One of the saddest things of Memphis is Forrest Park, near the old Sun Studios. On a trip there a few years ago, I made a minor pilgrimage to the park to check the statue out after walking through Sun Studios . It was about 3 months or so after a major local windstorm. Well, there in the park, in a marginal neighborhood on a main road was the statue but it was surrounded by downed limbs from the storm, long grass, cracked sidewalks and general neglect. I asked somebody about it and they replied that Forrest is a bit "controversial" (unlike MLK I suppose)and that politically, nobody liked to talk much about the old Devil. Apparently Fort Pillow and early anti-carpetbagger...aka KKK action excluded NBF from polite conversation. Though a long-time Westerner-Yankee sympathizer, I personally took umbrage and am not at all surprised we are in the fix we are currently in militarily when West Point Graduated Officers don't know who the hell Forrest is. As regards to slavery, I understand the old firebreather redeemed himself in his old age and anybody with even a modicum of historical literacy will understand the anti-carpet baggger foundations of the KKK and so temper any easy post-mortem assumptions they might make.

Could the South have prevailed after a protracted mountain guerrilla war? I really doubt it but I think it is safe to say that the Republic likely missed having what could have been one of it's best presidents in Lee. Artillary, money, time, expendable grunts and industrial capacity won the war for the North, certainly not the quality of the northern generalship. The lack of an instantanious media depiction of the carnage of the battlefield also no doubt helped. The major good thing regarding northern officers and the Civil War is that it demonstrated McClellans ineptness and dashed his long-held hopes for the Presidency.

The current pampered citizenry would clamp their vents shut and vapor-lock if confronted by the level of destruction seen during the Civil War.

The North won the civil war but set in motion a Federalization that would ultimately weaken the Republic and the same essential story exists today, we won the Cold War but set in motion attitudes and behavior that has severely exposed and weakened us.
"Winning" does have it's perjorative qualities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To W. Baker: placing all the blame for His Chimpanzexcellency on Connecticut ignores the special relationship and final grooming the strutting martinette had with his beloved Texas. Nutmeggers may be provincial, cantankerous and seek commercial dominance but they aint normally Empire Building Firebrands in the manner of the Texans. Home rule is still a treasured concept in our smaller Town-Meeting villages.</p>
<p>After all, El Mission Accomplishensis II and his Poppy received their most important lessons in Texas. As reported in Eisenhower&#8217;s autobiography of his first administration: It seems Ike used the example of Senator Bush (grandpappy)as one of the reasons he intended to veto or oppose an Oil Industry related Bill. They had gotten word that some Texas Oil Baron was complaining bitterly about all the money he donated to Senator Bushes (Prescott) campaigns and how the &#8220;ingrate&#8221; was now ammending a bill against their wishes. He told all present that Senator Bush aint gonna get no more of his black-gold funding and furthermore, his son (Poppy, GHW) &#8220;aint gonna get any business from my friends neither&#8221;&#8230;.   or words to that effect. Some may say this illustrates the Senator being ethical despite his industry funding but I really think they got an early Texas lesson and never forgot it.</p>
<p>As to Forrest, I once asked a former Army officer who went to West Point and his two compadres from the alma mater if they had discussed Forrest in Guerilla War strategy courses. None of them, and these were no dopes&#8230; had ever heard of or knew of Forrest! </p>
<p> One of the saddest things of Memphis is Forrest Park, near the old Sun Studios. On a trip there a few years ago, I made a minor pilgrimage to the park to check the statue out after walking through Sun Studios . It was about 3 months or so after a major local windstorm. Well, there in the park, in a marginal neighborhood on a main road was the statue but it was surrounded by downed limbs from the storm, long grass, cracked sidewalks and general neglect. I asked somebody about it and they replied that Forrest is a bit &#8220;controversial&#8221; (unlike MLK I suppose)and that politically, nobody liked to talk much about the old Devil. Apparently Fort Pillow and early anti-carpetbagger&#8230;aka KKK action excluded NBF from polite conversation. Though a long-time Westerner-Yankee sympathizer, I personally took umbrage and am not at all surprised we are in the fix we are currently in militarily when West Point Graduated Officers don&#8217;t know who the hell Forrest is. As regards to slavery, I understand the old firebreather redeemed himself in his old age and anybody with even a modicum of historical literacy will understand the anti-carpet baggger foundations of the KKK and so temper any easy post-mortem assumptions they might make.</p>
<p>Could the South have prevailed after a protracted mountain guerrilla war? I really doubt it but I think it is safe to say that the Republic likely missed having what could have been one of it&#8217;s best presidents in Lee. Artillary, money, time, expendable grunts and industrial capacity won the war for the North, certainly not the quality of the northern generalship. The lack of an instantanious media depiction of the carnage of the battlefield also no doubt helped. The major good thing regarding northern officers and the Civil War is that it demonstrated McClellans ineptness and dashed his long-held hopes for the Presidency.</p>
<p>The current pampered citizenry would clamp their vents shut and vapor-lock if confronted by the level of destruction seen during the Civil War.</p>
<p>The North won the civil war but set in motion a Federalization that would ultimately weaken the Republic and the same essential story exists today, we won the Cold War but set in motion attitudes and behavior that has severely exposed and weakened us.<br />
&#8220;Winning&#8221; does have it&#8217;s perjorative qualities.</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/04/30/happy-mission-accomplished-anniversary/#comment-67911</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 05:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Yessir, Like Whiskey Joe Hooker and 'at Goddamn goggle eyed George Meade, Pope, and the wurst'a all the sumbitches, Ambrose Burnside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Yessir, Like Whiskey Joe Hooker and &#8216;at Goddamn goggle eyed George Meade, Pope, and the wurst&#8217;a all the sumbitches, Ambrose Burnside.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/04/30/happy-mission-accomplished-anniversary/#comment-67894</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 04:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least you don't live ON Quintard.

At least the southerners with kids to name at least had more sense than the wizards in Richmond who kept giving Braxton Bragg armies to squander.

On the other hand - it is difficult to turn left in downtown DC without running into some horsey statute of some second rate Yankee general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least you don&#8217;t live ON Quintard.</p>
<p>At least the southerners with kids to name at least had more sense than the wizards in Richmond who kept giving Braxton Bragg armies to squander.</p>
<p>On the other hand - it is difficult to turn left in downtown DC without running into some horsey statute of some second rate Yankee general.</p>
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		<title>By: W Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>W Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 01:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah, hah, old Braxton Bragg!!!  To this day you will never find a child born, "Braxton", and the "Braggs" in the phone book are about as sparse as the 'Zed's'  I did, however, know a kid named Leonidas.  His father was an Episcopalian vicar and probably never knew the hell the old boy went through every day in school!!

But I live off Quintard Avenue - Polk's buddy - so I can't say much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, hah, old Braxton Bragg!!!  To this day you will never find a child born, &#8220;Braxton&#8221;, and the &#8220;Braggs&#8221; in the phone book are about as sparse as the &#8216;Zed&#8217;s&#8217;  I did, however, know a kid named Leonidas.  His father was an Episcopalian vicar and probably never knew the hell the old boy went through every day in school!!</p>
<p>But I live off Quintard Avenue - Polk&#8217;s buddy - so I can&#8217;t say much!</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/04/30/happy-mission-accomplished-anniversary/#comment-67784</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 00:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Specially in the case of Braxton Bragg who N.B. Forrest wanted to beat hell out of, and the inept Leonidas Polk. But it was Grant and and that Goddamn Sherman who were able to face what Lincoln called "The cruel arithmatic" i.e., sacrificing 3to 4 Northern lives for every Southerner killed and still have ample reserves of troops left to overwhelm the South not to mention the blockade...Perfect example of the former were Fredericksburg and Cold Harbor. Provokes a thought. Has anyone ever wondered what makes Southern women so strong, intrepid, independent, resilient, tough the Steel Magnolia?...Very simple answer. They didn't have much pick...An inordinate number of the men were dead. The South was full of hungry young women and widers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Specially in the case of Braxton Bragg who N.B. Forrest wanted to beat hell out of, and the inept Leonidas Polk. But it was Grant and and that Goddamn Sherman who were able to face what Lincoln called &#8220;The cruel arithmatic&#8221; i.e., sacrificing 3to 4 Northern lives for every Southerner killed and still have ample reserves of troops left to overwhelm the South not to mention the blockade&#8230;Perfect example of the former were Fredericksburg and Cold Harbor. Provokes a thought. Has anyone ever wondered what makes Southern women so strong, intrepid, independent, resilient, tough the Steel Magnolia?&#8230;Very simple answer. They didn&#8217;t have much pick&#8230;An inordinate number of the men were dead. The South was full of hungry young women and widers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/04/30/happy-mission-accomplished-anniversary/#comment-67741</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 23:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the South could have won the war  - or whipped the Northern armies to a stalemate - several times after Antietam.

It was unfortunate that some of the southern generals were canonized after the war - the halos that were attached obscured some military failings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the South could have won the war  - or whipped the Northern armies to a stalemate - several times after Antietam.</p>
<p>It was unfortunate that some of the southern generals were canonized after the war - the halos that were attached obscured some military failings.</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/04/30/happy-mission-accomplished-anniversary/#comment-67725</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 23:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...I reckon that 18th Century tactics with  quasi 20th Century weapons on the killing fields at Sharpsburg--Better known to the Yankees as Anteitam--was the beginning of the end for the Confederacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;I reckon that 18th Century tactics with  quasi 20th Century weapons on the killing fields at Sharpsburg&#8211;Better known to the Yankees as Anteitam&#8211;was the beginning of the end for the Confederacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wes -  DON'T FORGET MOSBY!

I am always surprised when folks not raised in the Shenandoah Valley are mystified when I invoke his name.

Forrest was an absolute master - it pangs me to read of all the crap he took from Richmond and his commanders. 

Amazing how many nitwits Richmond put in charge in the western theater....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes -  DON&#8217;T FORGET MOSBY!</p>
<p>I am always surprised when folks not raised in the Shenandoah Valley are mystified when I invoke his name.</p>
<p>Forrest was an absolute master - it pangs me to read of all the crap he took from Richmond and his commanders. </p>
<p>Amazing how many nitwits Richmond put in charge in the western theater&#8230;.</p>
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