Comments on: Excellent Report on US Military’s Civilian Carnage in Iraq http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/ Author James Bovard Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:24:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Tory http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110403 Tory Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:21:00 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110403 Sean, The president is descended from Prescot Bush (United Fruit Co/Dresser Industries/Haliburton.) Their first excuse was the Monroe doctrine; then it was communism; now it's terror. And everytime, they create the problem to create profits. It was the reason they had the Kennedys murdered. I have no problem with capitalism, only the crooks of the banana republic (the eastern establishment) that work their way into public office. Government is our worst enemy. Sean,
The president is descended from Prescot Bush (United Fruit Co/Dresser Industries/Haliburton.)

Their first excuse was the Monroe doctrine; then it was communism; now it’s terror. And everytime, they create the problem to create profits.

It was the reason they had the Kennedys murdered.

I have no problem with capitalism, only the crooks of the banana republic (the eastern establishment) that work their way into public office.

Government is our worst enemy.

]]> By: Sean O'Neil http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110386 Sean O'Neil Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:10:17 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110386 Tory said -- "The war is not and never was winnable. Maybe because of the internet, this time or this war, opposition is closing in quickly." Tory, I agree the war isn't/wasn't winnable, but not for the reasons you cite. Mainly, it wasn't winnable because the aim of this "war" is not military victory, but rather a multi-faceted goal of 1) constant discord in the Middle East 2) construction of a foothold for Middle East military operations (read: other efforts like this Iraq "war") 3) local stronghold/base from which to support Israel in her destruction of her neighbors 4) stealing Iraqi oil reserves 5) war profiteering on each of the above points The war is being fought to maximize profit, and for no other reason. Such is an inevitable result in a system of materialistic capitalism where profits are exalted higher than any religious deity, and without doubt profits are placed before humane interests and needs. Tory said –

“The war is not and never was winnable. Maybe because of the internet, this time or this war, opposition is closing in quickly.”

Tory, I agree the war isn’t/wasn’t winnable, but not for the reasons you cite.

Mainly, it wasn’t winnable because the aim of this “war” is not military victory, but rather a multi-faceted goal of

1) constant discord in the Middle East
2) construction of a foothold for Middle East military operations (read: other efforts like this Iraq “war”)
3) local stronghold/base from which to support Israel in her destruction of her neighbors
4) stealing Iraqi oil reserves
5) war profiteering on each of the above points

The war is being fought to maximize profit, and for no other reason. Such is an inevitable result in a system of materialistic capitalism where profits are exalted higher than any religious deity, and without doubt profits are placed before humane interests and needs.

]]> By: Jean http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110384 Jean Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:50:09 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110384 Jim, thanks for posting this piece by Maine native Chris Hedges. After reading this, I came away with the thought that this closely resembles what goes on here with the drug war. Most of these soldiers felt the urge to serve their country and to do the right thing. Most cops feel the same way when they put on the uniform, and want to provide community service. However, when placed in situations that are difficult, and life-threatening, motives change, and in these cases, for the worse. Jim, thanks for posting this piece by Maine native Chris Hedges. After reading this, I came away with the thought that this closely resembles what goes on here with the drug war. Most of these soldiers felt the urge to serve their country and to do the right thing. Most cops feel the same way when they put on the uniform, and want to provide community service.
However, when placed in situations that are difficult, and life-threatening, motives change, and in these cases, for the worse.

]]> By: Vaughn http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110375 Vaughn Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:46:29 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110375 >That’s a cheery thought, since I >imagine many of these guys will end up >being cops over here. That - or prison guards - or employed by any number of federal/state 'Homeland Security' profiteers. >That’s a cheery thought, since I >imagine many of these guys will end up >being cops over here.

That - or prison guards - or employed by any number of federal/state ‘Homeland Security’ profiteers.

]]> By: Alpowolf http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110374 Alpowolf Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:04:46 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110374 <i>“Every good cop carries a throwaway,” said Hatcher, who served with the Fourth Cavalry Regiment, First Squadron, in Ad Dawar, halfway between Tikrit and Samarra, from February 2004 to March 2005. “If you kill someone and they’re unarmed, you just drop one on ‘em.”</i> That's a cheery thought, since I imagine many of these guys will end up being cops over here. “Every good cop carries a throwaway,” said Hatcher, who served with the Fourth Cavalry Regiment, First Squadron, in Ad Dawar, halfway between Tikrit and Samarra, from February 2004 to March 2005. “If you kill someone and they’re unarmed, you just drop one on ‘em.”

That’s a cheery thought, since I imagine many of these guys will end up being cops over here.

]]> By: Dirk W. Sabin http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110366 Dirk W. Sabin Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:37:23 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110366 Why oh why do I read newspapers when I detest them so much? Could it be...No....do I have a bad attitude? Be honest. Then again, there have been several fine Newspaper writers in history, our all wet age of entrenched juvenilism...a kind of ongoing monument to roaring levels of gullibility.....just seems to be socked in a drought of them. The Harlot "Lifestyle" has her fangs deep in the brain stem and is taking a good long drink for herself. We aint woozy, jest a tad drained. Why oh why do I read newspapers when I detest them so much? Could it be…No….do I have a bad attitude? Be honest.

Then again, there have been several fine Newspaper writers in history, our all wet age of entrenched juvenilism…a kind of ongoing monument to roaring levels of gullibility…..just seems to be socked in a drought of them. The Harlot “Lifestyle” has her fangs deep in the brain stem and is taking a good long drink for herself. We aint woozy, jest a tad drained.

]]> By: Jim http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110364 Jim Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:58:05 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110364 Did the boots in the photo have any residue indicating a recent visit to a barnyard? I would stick up for Emerson here but I recently read some of his post-Civil War essays in which he slobbered over Abraham Lincoln as he is was an editorial writer for the Washington Post. Did the boots in the photo have any residue indicating a recent visit to a barnyard?

I would stick up for Emerson here but I recently read some of his post-Civil War essays in which he slobbered over Abraham Lincoln as he is was an editorial writer for the Washington Post.

]]> By: Dirk W. Sabin http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110363 Dirk W. Sabin Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:46:18 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110363 The Sireens of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue must finally have gotten rill rill nervyus, what with their infantry grunts finally turning on them in droves. Tonight, the news segment on our Feerlest Leeder showed that Karl and the boys are in a new program of mining all types of American Leadership Mythology for their media announcements. Tonight's shot opened with Naploneen I striding up a hallway with an open window in the background providing a wonderful view of the Jefferson Memorial in the distance. Then, as the Grande Poobah Most Deeciding Excellent mounted the podium, to his right was a bust of Lincoln with what appeared, oddly, to be a pair of shoes under the bust , mounted on a stand. It was a lovely shot, stirring even.... almost..... until Dyslexicon I began to talk and we were immediately reminded that our President has all the modesty and half the poise of a 13 year Reform School Factotum. Kudos to Karl for at least trying. His is a Sisyphusian task indeed. Needless to say, I am reminded that the surest indication of how resilient our beloved Republic is ....is the fact that we have managed to survive several years of this Government's feckless abandon and in particular, the Book of Revelation Spook Show of a President that makes Cheetah the Chimpanzee look like Ralph Waldo Emerson . We have not quite decided what TorquedCheneymada looks like, ...maybe a Dingo Dog on qualudes and Baccardi 151. This somehow warms me in my depths of despondance. Perhaps in the end, they have managed to turn the word "government" into a manifestly greater perjorative than it already was. Even liberals have to be a tad chary of government after this mosh pit riot. Anyone still suggesting government is a good thing after this long tawdry affair, should be quickly taken out to the deepest water possible and dropped overboard in a hard chop wearing an Edsel Bumper around their neck. Avast knuckleheads. The Sireens of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue must finally have gotten rill rill nervyus, what with their infantry grunts finally turning on them in droves. Tonight, the news segment on our Feerlest Leeder showed that Karl and the boys are in a new program of mining all types of American Leadership Mythology for their media announcements. Tonight’s shot opened with Naploneen I striding up a hallway with an open window in the background providing a wonderful view of the Jefferson Memorial in the distance. Then, as the Grande Poobah Most Deeciding Excellent mounted the podium, to his right was a bust of Lincoln with what appeared, oddly, to be a pair of shoes under the bust , mounted on a stand. It was a lovely shot, stirring even…. almost….. until Dyslexicon I began to talk and we were immediately reminded that our President has all the modesty and half the poise of a 13 year Reform School Factotum.
Kudos to Karl for at least trying. His is a Sisyphusian task indeed.

Needless to say, I am reminded that the surest indication of how resilient our beloved Republic is ….is the fact that we have managed to survive several years of this Government’s feckless abandon and in particular, the Book of Revelation Spook Show of a President that makes Cheetah the Chimpanzee look like Ralph Waldo Emerson . We have not quite decided what TorquedCheneymada looks like, …maybe a Dingo Dog on qualudes and Baccardi 151. This somehow warms me in my depths of despondance. Perhaps in the end, they have managed to turn the word “government” into a manifestly greater perjorative than it already was. Even liberals have to be a tad chary of government after this mosh pit riot. Anyone still suggesting government is a good thing after this long tawdry affair, should be quickly taken out to the deepest water possible and dropped overboard in a hard chop wearing an Edsel Bumper around their neck. Avast knuckleheads.

]]> By: Tory http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110356 Tory Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:20:32 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110356 The war is not and never was winnable. Maybe because of the internet, this time or this war, opposition is closing in quickly. The new, next Reed amendment is bs. It leaves a large US presence in Iraq and will continue to cause large scale violence. Too many democrats (war profiteers like Lieberman) still support the war. It will be interesting if a democrat becomes president. Democrat LBJ escalated Viet Nam. Liberals may learn a lesson about Leviathan. One military couple due to go back to Iraq (with a 4 month old toddler) doesn't want to go back...so much for the patriotic "you are either with us or against us" "Oil for Blood" "Haliburton wants you" (Uncle Sam wants you) :-) The war is not and never was winnable. Maybe because of the internet, this time or this war, opposition is closing in quickly. The new, next Reed amendment is bs. It leaves a large US presence in Iraq and will continue to cause large scale violence. Too many democrats (war profiteers like Lieberman) still support the war.

It will be interesting if a democrat becomes president. Democrat LBJ escalated Viet Nam. Liberals may learn a lesson about Leviathan.

One military couple due to go back to Iraq (with a 4 month old toddler) doesn’t want to go back…so much for the patriotic “you are either with us or against us”

“Oil for Blood”
“Haliburton wants you” (Uncle Sam wants you) :-)

]]> By: Dirk W. Sabin http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110347 Dirk W. Sabin Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:14:31 +0000 http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/07/15/excellent-report-on-us-militarys-civilian-carnage-in-iraq/#comment-110347 Pax Brittanica used to give the Indians Smallpox laced blankets and so we are only conducting ourselves in the hallowed traditions of yore by seeding the crime scene with AK 47's. The pontificating mooks of Congress and Sordid Screwballs holding the office of the Executive hostage have gone on their "making history" bender and put our troops in an impossible situation. Going in as rank amateurs as our Supreem Deesider did, it is no wonder that we are compressing all the horrors of history in that pathos-rich region into a tidy cluster boink....with the enlisted man bearing the brunt of the horrors, along with the civilians they are forced to engage. Russia, Britain, France, The Crusaders, the Huns...you name it, they all entered the Levant with big plans and watched it all go up in smoke in the rear view mirror. The sure-to-get-much-worse affair is poised to rock this former Republic to the core once the placental membrane of this new "Age of Terror" has been wiped from baby's eyes. Even in the remote possibility that the mainline news industry actually covered the whole story, the public would likely either ignore it or sink deeper into their Sphincterpalooza Fest. Speaking of Algonquins and blankets, as Dorothy Parker said: I was too F***ing Busy ...and vice versa. Pax Brittanica used to give the Indians Smallpox laced blankets and so we are only conducting ourselves in the hallowed traditions of yore by seeding the crime scene with AK 47’s.

The pontificating mooks of Congress and Sordid Screwballs holding the office of the Executive hostage have gone on their “making history” bender and put our troops in an impossible situation. Going in as rank amateurs as our Supreem Deesider did, it is no wonder that we are compressing all the horrors of history in that pathos-rich region into a tidy cluster boink….with the enlisted man bearing the brunt of the horrors, along with the civilians they are forced to engage. Russia, Britain, France, The Crusaders, the Huns…you name it, they all entered the Levant with big plans and watched it all go up in smoke in the rear view mirror. The sure-to-get-much-worse affair is poised to rock this former Republic to the core once the placental membrane of this new “Age of Terror” has been wiped from baby’s eyes.

Even in the remote possibility that the mainline news industry actually covered the whole story, the public would likely either ignore it or sink deeper into their Sphincterpalooza Fest. Speaking of Algonquins and blankets, as Dorothy Parker said: I was too F***ing Busy …and vice versa.

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