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	<title>Comments on: What do Citizens Owe Government?</title>
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		<title>By: ed Pandolfo</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/08/06/what-do-citizens-owe-government/#comment-118810</link>
		<dc:creator>ed Pandolfo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article, but, many of us forget, much of the mess that we are facing today with big Government, is our fault.  If we cannot accumulate enough citizens to rise to the occassion to fight this corruptness, then we are not, as a nation going to win.  Its going to take millions to fight and march together to bring this Government back to the basics, theat the people come first, not party or government.  We can do it, we just need a rallying group and enough of the silent majority and middle class will move their feet.  Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, but, many of us forget, much of the mess that we are facing today with big Government, is our fault.  If we cannot accumulate enough citizens to rise to the occassion to fight this corruptness, then we are not, as a nation going to win.  Its going to take millions to fight and march together to bring this Government back to the basics, theat the people come first, not party or government.  We can do it, we just need a rallying group and enough of the silent majority and middle class will move their feet.  Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/08/06/what-do-citizens-owe-government/#comment-110826</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dirk - excellent analogy on the submarine to the moon.

I wonder if NASA is working on this now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dirk - excellent analogy on the submarine to the moon.</p>
<p>I wonder if NASA is working on this now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/08/06/what-do-citizens-owe-government/#comment-110825</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hobbit - I think I might prefer a clodhopper-based response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hobbit - I think I might prefer a clodhopper-based response.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawhobbit</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/08/06/what-do-citizens-owe-government/#comment-110820</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawhobbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, the short answer to the question posed as the title to your essay is easy:  "A good hearty slap upside the head."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, the short answer to the question posed as the title to your essay is easy:  &#8220;A good hearty slap upside the head.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans don't respect the constitution, the Bill of Rights and the concept of limited government. If they did we'd have a country full of brave and cocky citizens who despise an unarmed (by law) and corrupt legislature. Death by hanging should be typically used only for members of the legislature who demonstrate contempt for the consitution.

We need to reincarnate all the sheep into wolves..."arms are the only true badges of liberty," providing "the distinction of a free man from a slave."
 
When sheep learn to point their guns at the legislature then they can roam free.

Make government your terrified servants not our bullying masters. Make every candidate shiver with fear while contemplating political office. Make the word 'democracy' synonymous with the 'n' word ! Silence the next politician who claims "the people have spoken."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans don&#8217;t respect the constitution, the Bill of Rights and the concept of limited government. If they did we&#8217;d have a country full of brave and cocky citizens who despise an unarmed (by law) and corrupt legislature. Death by hanging should be typically used only for members of the legislature who demonstrate contempt for the consitution.</p>
<p>We need to reincarnate all the sheep into wolves&#8230;&#8221;arms are the only true badges of liberty,&#8221; providing &#8220;the distinction of a free man from a slave.&#8221;</p>
<p>When sheep learn to point their guns at the legislature then they can roam free.</p>
<p>Make government your terrified servants not our bullying masters. Make every candidate shiver with fear while contemplating political office. Make the word &#8216;democracy&#8217; synonymous with the &#8216;n&#8217; word ! Silence the next politician who claims &#8220;the people have spoken.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk W. Sabin</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/08/06/what-do-citizens-owe-government/#comment-110814</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, Thanks for your comments...you must be a masochist..... but I think the excesses we are watching unfold are more a matter of the abuses of Fiat Money in the hands of amateurs than they are abuses of laissez-faire capitalism. We have not had laissez-faire capitalism for a good long while. It's become an inside game with Monopoly Money and a decked-out "Preferred Customer" Lounge. Truth be told, the mockery that is unfolding is more from government mucking about and creating gold-mines of dysfunction than it is from any kind of real prosecution of a properly run, real...ie "tangible", asset-driven economy. Agricultural policies are a good example of this. A government that would inflict our current agricultural policies and laws on their people's food supply is a government that would build a submarine to fly to the moon.

Sure, there are excesses and unfairness but rest assured, laissez-faire capitalism has a far shorter list of problems realting to this than does government of virtually any type you might care to explore. The American Republic was founded as a conversation but right now, we've got a lecture going on and the folks appearing at the lectern may be greedy, but unfortunately, they're also crazy, dumb or both. If they were greedy but smart, we wouldn't find ourselves in the daft situation we are in.

We dont have a Gold Standard, we have a bullshit standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, Thanks for your comments&#8230;you must be a masochist&#8230;.. but I think the excesses we are watching unfold are more a matter of the abuses of Fiat Money in the hands of amateurs than they are abuses of laissez-faire capitalism. We have not had laissez-faire capitalism for a good long while. It&#8217;s become an inside game with Monopoly Money and a decked-out &#8220;Preferred Customer&#8221; Lounge. Truth be told, the mockery that is unfolding is more from government mucking about and creating gold-mines of dysfunction than it is from any kind of real prosecution of a properly run, real&#8230;ie &#8220;tangible&#8221;, asset-driven economy. Agricultural policies are a good example of this. A government that would inflict our current agricultural policies and laws on their people&#8217;s food supply is a government that would build a submarine to fly to the moon.</p>
<p>Sure, there are excesses and unfairness but rest assured, laissez-faire capitalism has a far shorter list of problems realting to this than does government of virtually any type you might care to explore. The American Republic was founded as a conversation but right now, we&#8217;ve got a lecture going on and the folks appearing at the lectern may be greedy, but unfortunately, they&#8217;re also crazy, dumb or both. If they were greedy but smart, we wouldn&#8217;t find ourselves in the daft situation we are in.</p>
<p>We dont have a Gold Standard, we have a bullshit standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean O'Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean O'Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Dirk's post.  Dirk, your statement about leave-be capitalism pretty much hits the bull's eye on why I say it's not feasible in a society that is full of corruptible, weak-willed humans.  The greed wins over the weak, it already holds the conscience of the avaricious and lustful.  Laissez-faire capitalism is a fine idea for a small society in which the members of that society know each other and each other's values, have respect for each other, desire to do no harm to each other. 

But throw a few genuinely weak humans in the mix, add a few greedy ones, a few lustful and envious ones, a few angry ones... you have corruption par excellence!

I wish we had a Galt's Gulch in America.  Unfortunately we have Washington DC as a gigantic roadblock on the way there, and it is at the mouth of a box canyon filled with the worst mutated human spirits on Earth.  Looks like the idea of leave-be capitalism is best left to science fiction.  But I'd like to see that change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Dirk&#8217;s post.  Dirk, your statement about leave-be capitalism pretty much hits the bull&#8217;s eye on why I say it&#8217;s not feasible in a society that is full of corruptible, weak-willed humans.  The greed wins over the weak, it already holds the conscience of the avaricious and lustful.  Laissez-faire capitalism is a fine idea for a small society in which the members of that society know each other and each other&#8217;s values, have respect for each other, desire to do no harm to each other. </p>
<p>But throw a few genuinely weak humans in the mix, add a few greedy ones, a few lustful and envious ones, a few angry ones&#8230; you have corruption par excellence!</p>
<p>I wish we had a Galt&#8217;s Gulch in America.  Unfortunately we have Washington DC as a gigantic roadblock on the way there, and it is at the mouth of a box canyon filled with the worst mutated human spirits on Earth.  Looks like the idea of leave-be capitalism is best left to science fiction.  But I&#8217;d like to see that change.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, two words.  Empty skirts.  Maybe it's the time of year too.  The lobsters here have their soft shells.  Maybe it's affeting the brain as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, two words.  Empty skirts.  Maybe it&#8217;s the time of year too.  The lobsters here have their soft shells.  Maybe it&#8217;s affeting the brain as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk W. Sabin</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/08/06/what-do-citizens-owe-government/#comment-110765</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After being blissfully unaware of anything in this besotted former Republic as a result of 3 weeks in Alaska (where the old Porker Uncle Ted is finding his personal space a tad abridged), I return to find a bridge collapsed in Minneapolis and the wanker El Grandioso Leavenothoughtremembered  granting the Executive (and his little latin Pinnochio Gonzy) free reign at wiretapping anybody it sees fit while the Congress looks the other way in search of balls.  Immediately, I relapse into dyspepsia only to be becalmed by this fine essay on how we owe the Government virtually nothing. 

However, it will soon become hard to ignore that we owe alot due to this  government's drunken port-side spending habits. Don't be surprised if they think inflation is a solution to the problem of our foreign obligations.

Some time in the remote past , a few farmers were finally aroused by governmental fiscal impropriety enough to start a Whiskey Rebellion. While I no longer imbibe, I still greatly admire that dusky liquor and would cheer any concerted effort at a Neo-Whiskey Rebellion to fight the Neo-Conservative Government that practices Neo-Thought on a Neo-Public that has half the brains God gave a learning disabled Pug.

Hillary is to be nominated and all but the good Mr. Paul of her opponents look to be like a bunch of competing Padrones in a backwater Latin American  Show-Election. This calls for concerted rebuke and the best we got is fears about the evil Rupert "corrupting" the Wall Street Journal as if it aint already idealogically corrupted beyond measure. 

You know, I'm a laissez-faire Capitalist to the bitter end but these morons and mountebanks are sure giving the old pastime a black eye.

Let us now watch as the authoritarian government goes populist and right into the hands of the democrats and we can really see what over-mortgaged governmental benevolence produces. This public is about to be richly given what it thinks it deserves. But that's in the future and right now, we must watch as the mad Bus Driver From Crawford spins the suicide knob from one disaster to another.

We owe American Traditions alot but this current government, a government that rebukes American Traditions as a matter of course is owed nothing so much as a swift kick in the ass end of the pants. Expecting Bush to Defend and Protect the Constitution is like expecting to find a Lido Deck on the Staten Island Ferry. He is the apogee of a Generation that will swallow as much piffle as is possible to convey in the average 24 hour media cycle.

Sure, we'll survive these reprobates but exactly what will remain in the rubble? The institutions and history remain but this generation has amply demonstrated that it is not up to the task of continuing the Revolution because it thinks fantasy consumption an existence worthy of note.

I got dem ole Ressentiment Blues.
Oddly enough, the comic value, however dark, only seems to be growing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After being blissfully unaware of anything in this besotted former Republic as a result of 3 weeks in Alaska (where the old Porker Uncle Ted is finding his personal space a tad abridged), I return to find a bridge collapsed in Minneapolis and the wanker El Grandioso Leavenothoughtremembered  granting the Executive (and his little latin Pinnochio Gonzy) free reign at wiretapping anybody it sees fit while the Congress looks the other way in search of balls.  Immediately, I relapse into dyspepsia only to be becalmed by this fine essay on how we owe the Government virtually nothing. </p>
<p>However, it will soon become hard to ignore that we owe alot due to this  government&#8217;s drunken port-side spending habits. Don&#8217;t be surprised if they think inflation is a solution to the problem of our foreign obligations.</p>
<p>Some time in the remote past , a few farmers were finally aroused by governmental fiscal impropriety enough to start a Whiskey Rebellion. While I no longer imbibe, I still greatly admire that dusky liquor and would cheer any concerted effort at a Neo-Whiskey Rebellion to fight the Neo-Conservative Government that practices Neo-Thought on a Neo-Public that has half the brains God gave a learning disabled Pug.</p>
<p>Hillary is to be nominated and all but the good Mr. Paul of her opponents look to be like a bunch of competing Padrones in a backwater Latin American  Show-Election. This calls for concerted rebuke and the best we got is fears about the evil Rupert &#8220;corrupting&#8221; the Wall Street Journal as if it aint already idealogically corrupted beyond measure. </p>
<p>You know, I&#8217;m a laissez-faire Capitalist to the bitter end but these morons and mountebanks are sure giving the old pastime a black eye.</p>
<p>Let us now watch as the authoritarian government goes populist and right into the hands of the democrats and we can really see what over-mortgaged governmental benevolence produces. This public is about to be richly given what it thinks it deserves. But that&#8217;s in the future and right now, we must watch as the mad Bus Driver From Crawford spins the suicide knob from one disaster to another.</p>
<p>We owe American Traditions alot but this current government, a government that rebukes American Traditions as a matter of course is owed nothing so much as a swift kick in the ass end of the pants. Expecting Bush to Defend and Protect the Constitution is like expecting to find a Lido Deck on the Staten Island Ferry. He is the apogee of a Generation that will swallow as much piffle as is possible to convey in the average 24 hour media cycle.</p>
<p>Sure, we&#8217;ll survive these reprobates but exactly what will remain in the rubble? The institutions and history remain but this generation has amply demonstrated that it is not up to the task of continuing the Revolution because it thinks fantasy consumption an existence worthy of note.</p>
<p>I got dem ole Ressentiment Blues.<br />
Oddly enough, the comic value, however dark, only seems to be growing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean - I think you're right about the current government.

My doubts are growing about Bush's fidelity to his oath of office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean - I think you&#8217;re right about the current government.</p>
<p>My doubts are growing about Bush&#8217;s fidelity to his oath of office.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean - good ol' Susan Collins.  I'm glad you put her on the spot, though too bad she wasn't smart enough to realize it.

What is with Maine?   The folks I have met from Maine have generally been sharp.  The ladies I have seen from Maine have durn near all been above average.

And what does Maine send to the Senate?!!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean - good ol&#8217; Susan Collins.  I&#8217;m glad you put her on the spot, though too bad she wasn&#8217;t smart enough to realize it.</p>
<p>What is with Maine?   The folks I have met from Maine have generally been sharp.  The ladies I have seen from Maine have durn near all been above average.</p>
<p>And what does Maine send to the Senate?!!?</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...What do a 15 to 20 year War of Occupation in Iraq, $11 billion dollars per year in Assistance for the purpose of indemnifying Israel, Veterans Heath Care at The Walter Reed Army Medical Center, The "Generational War" on Terror, 48+ million illiterates in the US and The Minnesota Bridge Collapse have in common??...They're all examples of your Tax Dollars at work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;What do a 15 to 20 year War of Occupation in Iraq, $11 billion dollars per year in Assistance for the purpose of indemnifying Israel, Veterans Heath Care at The Walter Reed Army Medical Center, The &#8220;Generational War&#8221; on Terror, 48+ million illiterates in the US and The Minnesota Bridge Collapse have in common??&#8230;They&#8217;re all examples of your Tax Dollars at work!</p>
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		<title>By: Alpowolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alpowolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But...but...government gives us so many great things! Nuclear bombs, world wars, mass murder, mass starvation, mass thievery, misery beyond anybody's worst nightmares, stuff like that!

(BTW have you seen &lt;i&gt;The Simpsons Movie&lt;/i&gt; yet? I thought it was wonderfully anti-government, and I thought some of the other gags were good metaphors for government even if the writers didn't intend it, such as Homer's "pig crap" silo:

Marge: Homer, it's leaking!
Homer (impatiently): It's not &lt;i&gt;leaking&lt;/i&gt;. It's &lt;i&gt;overflowing&lt;/i&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But&#8230;but&#8230;government gives us so many great things! Nuclear bombs, world wars, mass murder, mass starvation, mass thievery, misery beyond anybody&#8217;s worst nightmares, stuff like that!</p>
<p>(BTW have you seen <i>The Simpsons Movie</i> yet? I thought it was wonderfully anti-government, and I thought some of the other gags were good metaphors for government even if the writers didn&#8217;t intend it, such as Homer&#8217;s &#8220;pig crap&#8221; silo:</p>
<p>Marge: Homer, it&#8217;s leaking!<br />
Homer (impatiently): It&#8217;s not <i>leaking</i>. It&#8217;s <i>overflowing</i>)</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Jim. You're right, servility is taught in the public schools. 
  In the aftermath of the Minneapolis bridge collapse politicians were quick to point out that the bridge had received all scheduled inspections. After examining photos of the debacle I detected a lot of rust/corrosion on the steel girders. Apparently inspections cost government a lot less money than timely paint jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Jim. You&#8217;re right, servility is taught in the public schools.<br />
  In the aftermath of the Minneapolis bridge collapse politicians were quick to point out that the bridge had received all scheduled inspections. After examining photos of the debacle I detected a lot of rust/corrosion on the steel girders. Apparently inspections cost government a lot less money than timely paint jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I remember asking Sen. Susan Collins to comment on her remark when she said that the Postal Service needs to be a "21st Century Company".  I reminded her that the law governing the PO was passed in the 19th century, so how can this place move forward with 21st century technology, and governed by 19th century law.  Needless to say, her response was what I call the Fred Flinstone remark.  "Aba Aba dooooo".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I remember asking Sen. Susan Collins to comment on her remark when she said that the Postal Service needs to be a &#8220;21st Century Company&#8221;.  I reminded her that the law governing the PO was passed in the 19th century, so how can this place move forward with 21st century technology, and governed by 19th century law.  Needless to say, her response was what I call the Fred Flinstone remark.  &#8220;Aba Aba dooooo&#8221;.</p>
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