<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Drunk Driving Checkpoints vs. Freedom</title>
	<atom:link href="http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/</link>
	<description>Author James Bovard</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6</generator>
		<item>
		<title>By: suzie</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-112825</link>
		<dc:creator>suzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 05:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-112825</guid>
		<description>I am a mother of 4 and I worry obout my kids all the time. If they take one drunk driver off the road then that is one drivier I don't have to worry about ..I am proud to work with law enforcement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a mother of 4 and I worry obout my kids all the time. If they take one drunk driver off the road then that is one drivier I don&#8217;t have to worry about ..I am proud to work with law enforcement</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: no way Jose</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-112045</link>
		<dc:creator>no way Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-112045</guid>
		<description>we need more check points for guys like
you who want to hide their drugs,
kidnap victims, illegal guns, alchol
containers open, and wise asses who
think all the deaths and accidents on
 the highway are non alcohol related.
  You have freedom of speech, but 
not license to stop police from 
enforcing the laws of Calif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we need more check points for guys like<br />
you who want to hide their drugs,<br />
kidnap victims, illegal guns, alchol<br />
containers open, and wise asses who<br />
think all the deaths and accidents on<br />
 the highway are non alcohol related.<br />
  You have freedom of speech, but<br />
not license to stop police from<br />
enforcing the laws of Calif</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111800</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111800</guid>
		<description>Where I live I encounter these checkpoints almost 2 times a month. I drive home at 1:00 am.  The last one was a real show.  At the highway exit they made everybody go down the intersecting road with pylons and a big flashing sign saying it was a sobriety check point.  After riding about 50 ft you had to turn into a shopping center parking lot.  There was about 30 police cars and the park police was running the show (the county parks are at least 5 miles away.) They asked my why I was out at night and shined a flashlight in my face. After the interview I had to exit the parking lot and had to drive to the next light make a left turn and then drive another 100 ft and make another right turn to get back on track to my original route.  The stops are getting more elaborate and time consuming.  They used to just stop you at the exit ramp. and have may 5 cop cars.  Now it is a big show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where I live I encounter these checkpoints almost 2 times a month. I drive home at 1:00 am.  The last one was a real show.  At the highway exit they made everybody go down the intersecting road with pylons and a big flashing sign saying it was a sobriety check point.  After riding about 50 ft you had to turn into a shopping center parking lot.  There was about 30 police cars and the park police was running the show (the county parks are at least 5 miles away.) They asked my why I was out at night and shined a flashlight in my face. After the interview I had to exit the parking lot and had to drive to the next light make a left turn and then drive another 100 ft and make another right turn to get back on track to my original route.  The stops are getting more elaborate and time consuming.  They used to just stop you at the exit ramp. and have may 5 cop cars.  Now it is a big show.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bruce Alm</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111757</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Alm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111757</guid>
		<description>Drunk driving. Dwi and dui. A license to drink.
Madd, sadd, radd, A.A., and alanon/al-anon related.

Copyright: 1987-2007 ï¿½ Bruce Alm. Documentation is available upon request.

The answer to the problem of drunk driving, etc. could be this; a permit for the purchase and consumption of alcoholic beverages.

This would not only be a major assault on the problem of drunk driving, but would also have an effect on virtually all other crimes such as these;
murder, rape, assault, burglary, robbery, suicide, vandalism, wife beating, child beating, child molestation, the spread of aids, college binge drinking, animal cruelty, etc., the list is endless.

If this proposition was made law, there could be a major reduction in all these areas of concern, even though the emphasis concerning alcohol abuse seems to be drunk driving in particular.

There could also be many other positive results;

Families healed, better work performance, booze money spent on products that would help the economy (we've all heard of the guy who spends half his check in the bar on payday,) would spare many health problems, etc.

This new law could go something like this:

Any person found guilty of any crime where drinking was a factor would lose the right to purchase and/or consume alcoholic beverages.

For a first misdemeanor, a three year revocation. a second misdemeanor, a ten year revocation. a third misdemeanor, a lifetime revocation. Any felony crime, an automatic lifetime revocation.
Anyone caught drinking alcohol without a permit would receive a possible $1000 fine and/or jail sentence. those who would supply alcohol to people without a drinking permit (and possibly make money at it) would also lose his/her right to purchase alcoholic beverages.

What wife or husband would buy an alcoholic spouse a bottle?

What friend would give a problem drinker a drink at the possible cost of a thousand bucks and the loss of their own privilege? This could be a total discouragement to these would-be pushers.

This permit doesn't seem as though it would be a problem to put into effect. It could simply be a large X, (or whatever,) on the back of any driver's license in any state, to show who has been revoked, and cannot purchase alcohol.

Most people of drinking age have a driver's license, but one area that might be a problem could be New York City, where many people don't drive. This problem could be resolved, however, by a license-type ID specifically for the purchase of alcoholic beverages. All states have these already for the purpose of identification.

This would be a small price to pay for the saved lives of thousands of Americans each and every year.

After this, it would simply be a matter of drinking establishments checking ID's at the time of purchase.
In the case of crowded bars, they could simply check ID's at the door, as they do now.

Would this be a violation of rights?

There can be no argument here since they already check IDs of people who look as though they may not be old enough to drink.

This could be a good saying, "If a person who doesn't know how to drive shouldn't have a license to drive, a person who doesn't know how to drink shouldn't have a license to drink."

Here are some other pluses to this idea:

A good percentage of people in correctional institutions are there because of alcohol related offences . Because of this, court, penal, and law enforcement costs could drop dramatically. The need for A.A., alanon, madd, sadd, etc., could be greatly diminished as well.

What the alcoholic fears most, is the temptation to have that first drink, usually a spur of the moment type thing. Without the ability to do this, he/she is fairly safe. To start drinking again would almost have to be planned in advance, and to maintain steady drinking would be extremely difficult in most cases.

Even though A.A. members as a group don't become involved in political movements, it would seem as individuals they would all be in favor of a situation like this. Any person who wants to quit drinking, even if never having been in trouble with the law, could simply turn in their license for the non-drinking type.

A woman from MADD, on the NBC TODAY show, said "One out of every ten Americans has a drinking problem, and that 10% consumes 60% of all alcoholic beverages sold in the U.S." If this is true, there could be financial problems for breweries, liquor stores, bars, rehab centers, etc., as well as lawyers, massive amounts of tax revenue 'down the drain,' and so on. But it doesn't seem as though anyone would have a valid argument against a proposal such as this for financial reasons. To do so would be morally wrong, and could be likened to a drug-pusher attitude.

Even with the problems this new law could present, it still could, in one sense, be considered the simple solution to the number one drug problem in the U.S. and elsewhere. Alcoholism.

P.S.

What ever happened to the skid row drunk?

Please note:
There is no correlation in the above article to the advocacy of prohibition, which was as much of a worthless fiasco as the "war on drugs" is today, for all the same reasons. The email criticism has mostly been "prohibition didn't work," even though the word "prohibition" has not been mentioned until now.
The argument would therefore have to be more compared as to whether or not there should be a law for people to have a driver's license to drive, rather than as to whether or not motor vehicles should be legal, or illegal.
These are separate issues altogether, and no connection should be made between the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drunk driving. Dwi and dui. A license to drink.<br />
Madd, sadd, radd, A.A., and alanon/al-anon related.</p>
<p>Copyright: 1987-2007 ï¿½ Bruce Alm. Documentation is available upon request.</p>
<p>The answer to the problem of drunk driving, etc. could be this; a permit for the purchase and consumption of alcoholic beverages.</p>
<p>This would not only be a major assault on the problem of drunk driving, but would also have an effect on virtually all other crimes such as these;<br />
murder, rape, assault, burglary, robbery, suicide, vandalism, wife beating, child beating, child molestation, the spread of aids, college binge drinking, animal cruelty, etc., the list is endless.</p>
<p>If this proposition was made law, there could be a major reduction in all these areas of concern, even though the emphasis concerning alcohol abuse seems to be drunk driving in particular.</p>
<p>There could also be many other positive results;</p>
<p>Families healed, better work performance, booze money spent on products that would help the economy (we&#8217;ve all heard of the guy who spends half his check in the bar on payday,) would spare many health problems, etc.</p>
<p>This new law could go something like this:</p>
<p>Any person found guilty of any crime where drinking was a factor would lose the right to purchase and/or consume alcoholic beverages.</p>
<p>For a first misdemeanor, a three year revocation. a second misdemeanor, a ten year revocation. a third misdemeanor, a lifetime revocation. Any felony crime, an automatic lifetime revocation.<br />
Anyone caught drinking alcohol without a permit would receive a possible $1000 fine and/or jail sentence. those who would supply alcohol to people without a drinking permit (and possibly make money at it) would also lose his/her right to purchase alcoholic beverages.</p>
<p>What wife or husband would buy an alcoholic spouse a bottle?</p>
<p>What friend would give a problem drinker a drink at the possible cost of a thousand bucks and the loss of their own privilege? This could be a total discouragement to these would-be pushers.</p>
<p>This permit doesn&#8217;t seem as though it would be a problem to put into effect. It could simply be a large X, (or whatever,) on the back of any driver&#8217;s license in any state, to show who has been revoked, and cannot purchase alcohol.</p>
<p>Most people of drinking age have a driver&#8217;s license, but one area that might be a problem could be New York City, where many people don&#8217;t drive. This problem could be resolved, however, by a license-type ID specifically for the purchase of alcoholic beverages. All states have these already for the purpose of identification.</p>
<p>This would be a small price to pay for the saved lives of thousands of Americans each and every year.</p>
<p>After this, it would simply be a matter of drinking establishments checking ID&#8217;s at the time of purchase.<br />
In the case of crowded bars, they could simply check ID&#8217;s at the door, as they do now.</p>
<p>Would this be a violation of rights?</p>
<p>There can be no argument here since they already check IDs of people who look as though they may not be old enough to drink.</p>
<p>This could be a good saying, &#8220;If a person who doesn&#8217;t know how to drive shouldn&#8217;t have a license to drive, a person who doesn&#8217;t know how to drink shouldn&#8217;t have a license to drink.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here are some other pluses to this idea:</p>
<p>A good percentage of people in correctional institutions are there because of alcohol related offences . Because of this, court, penal, and law enforcement costs could drop dramatically. The need for A.A., alanon, madd, sadd, etc., could be greatly diminished as well.</p>
<p>What the alcoholic fears most, is the temptation to have that first drink, usually a spur of the moment type thing. Without the ability to do this, he/she is fairly safe. To start drinking again would almost have to be planned in advance, and to maintain steady drinking would be extremely difficult in most cases.</p>
<p>Even though A.A. members as a group don&#8217;t become involved in political movements, it would seem as individuals they would all be in favor of a situation like this. Any person who wants to quit drinking, even if never having been in trouble with the law, could simply turn in their license for the non-drinking type.</p>
<p>A woman from MADD, on the NBC TODAY show, said &#8220;One out of every ten Americans has a drinking problem, and that 10% consumes 60% of all alcoholic beverages sold in the U.S.&#8221; If this is true, there could be financial problems for breweries, liquor stores, bars, rehab centers, etc., as well as lawyers, massive amounts of tax revenue &#8216;down the drain,&#8217; and so on. But it doesn&#8217;t seem as though anyone would have a valid argument against a proposal such as this for financial reasons. To do so would be morally wrong, and could be likened to a drug-pusher attitude.</p>
<p>Even with the problems this new law could present, it still could, in one sense, be considered the simple solution to the number one drug problem in the U.S. and elsewhere. Alcoholism.</p>
<p>P.S.</p>
<p>What ever happened to the skid row drunk?</p>
<p>Please note:<br />
There is no correlation in the above article to the advocacy of prohibition, which was as much of a worthless fiasco as the &#8220;war on drugs&#8221; is today, for all the same reasons. The email criticism has mostly been &#8220;prohibition didn&#8217;t work,&#8221; even though the word &#8220;prohibition&#8221; has not been mentioned until now.<br />
The argument would therefore have to be more compared as to whether or not there should be a law for people to have a driver&#8217;s license to drive, rather than as to whether or not motor vehicles should be legal, or illegal.<br />
These are separate issues altogether, and no connection should be made between the two.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Stress &#187; What Used to be Considered a &#8220;Police State&#8221; is Now Just the Way Things Are Done in America</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111551</link>
		<dc:creator>Stress &#187; What Used to be Considered a &#8220;Police State&#8221; is Now Just the Way Things Are Done in America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 05:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111551</guid>
		<description>[...] Bovard on the &#8220;drunk-driving&#8221; checkpoints.  digg_skin = 'compact';   &#8212;&#160;Scott [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bovard on the &#8220;drunk-driving&#8221; checkpoints.  digg_skin = &#8216;compact&#8217;;   &#8212;&nbsp;Scott [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Proverbfrom.Com &#187; Drunk Driving Checkpoints vs. Freedom</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111501</link>
		<dc:creator>Proverbfrom.Com &#187; Drunk Driving Checkpoints vs. Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 19:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111501</guid>
		<description>[...] wrote an interesting post today on Drunk Driving Checkpoints vs. FreedomHere&#8217;s a quick [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wrote an interesting post today on Drunk Driving Checkpoints vs. FreedomHere&#8217;s a quick [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: A Free Person Has No Privileges &#171; Murphy&#8217;s Bye-Laws</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111485</link>
		<dc:creator>A Free Person Has No Privileges &#171; Murphy&#8217;s Bye-Laws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111485</guid>
		<description>[...] paperwork, uneventful evenings, and timely arrivals. As Jim Bovard points out in his article Drunk Driving Checkpoints: Every Driver Guilty, “These checkpoints, supposedly started to target drunk drivers, have expanded to give police [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] paperwork, uneventful evenings, and timely arrivals. As Jim Bovard points out in his article Drunk Driving Checkpoints: Every Driver Guilty, “These checkpoints, supposedly started to target drunk drivers, have expanded to give police [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tory</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111482</link>
		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111482</guid>
		<description>A crash course on the 5th:
Intimidating a suspect violates the suspects' 5th amendment right to not be tortured ("...compelled to be a witness against himself.") Evidence obtained illegally may not be allowed in court during trial (silverplatter doctrine and fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine (Wong Sun vs U.S)).

Government is our worst enemy (police are an element of government), worse than any mugger, drunk driver, rapist, vicious animal, drug dealer, terrorist or murderer. Make government your servant, not your master.

"Unjust laws exist !" [HDT)

We must pass "common sense laws" that make the job of our pizza delivery drivers safer and easier (and then we will be safer, more free, and less hungry).

Never cheer police; if we do we empower them beyond constitutional limits, and then we lose our freedom to the police (and the news media). They'll terrorize us to keep us safe from drunk drivers and Terrorists. [:-) No fruit for you piggy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A crash course on the 5th:<br />
Intimidating a suspect violates the suspects&#8217; 5th amendment right to not be tortured (&#8221;&#8230;compelled to be a witness against himself.&#8221;) Evidence obtained illegally may not be allowed in court during trial (silverplatter doctrine and fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine (Wong Sun vs U.S)).</p>
<p>Government is our worst enemy (police are an element of government), worse than any mugger, drunk driver, rapist, vicious animal, drug dealer, terrorist or murderer. Make government your servant, not your master.</p>
<p>&#8220;Unjust laws exist !&#8221; [HDT)</p>
<p>We must pass &#8220;common sense laws&#8221; that make the job of our pizza delivery drivers safer and easier (and then we will be safer, more free, and less hungry).</p>
<p>Never cheer police; if we do we empower them beyond constitutional limits, and then we lose our freedom to the police (and the news media). They&#8217;ll terrorize us to keep us safe from drunk drivers and Terrorists. [:-) No fruit for you piggy.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lawhobbit</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111480</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawhobbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111480</guid>
		<description>Oooooh, Crash, bad call buddy.  The various courts of appeals around the nation have ruled repeatedly that people have NO right to protection by (or from) police agencies.  Care to revise your "logic," now that that second police-state misperception (the first being that police have very dangerous jobs) has been cleared up?  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooooh, Crash, bad call buddy.  The various courts of appeals around the nation have ruled repeatedly that people have NO right to protection by (or from) police agencies.  Care to revise your &#8220;logic,&#8221; now that that second police-state misperception (the first being that police have very dangerous jobs) has been cleared up?  <img src='http://jimbovard.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tom Blanton</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111478</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Blanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/24/drunk-driving-checkpoints-vs-freedom/#comment-111478</guid>
		<description>"If a roadblock saves one innocent life a year by catching people who are drunk or drugged driving I think that’s OK."

This line of thinking can be used to justify damn near anything and it often is. The notions of zero tolerance and eliminating all risk from life are leading to nanny-state totalitarianism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If a roadblock saves one innocent life a year by catching people who are drunk or drugged driving I think that’s OK.&#8221;</p>
<p>This line of thinking can be used to justify damn near anything and it often is. The notions of zero tolerance and eliminating all risk from life are leading to nanny-state totalitarianism.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
