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	<title>Comments on: The FBI&#8217;s Right to Threaten Torture</title>
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		<title>By: Eric Lennick</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/26/the-fbis-right-to-threaten-torture/#comment-118716</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Lennick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey...I really need some help...I have no proof or anything but the fbi has been harrasing me for almost a year...An employer told me my phone was tapped and that I have to be a narc otherwise I will not have a very good life...While I was there they sliced me, blew filler dust at me and even had me dump their sump...I am sick and tired of the fbi...my neighbers, grocery store clerks, I guess anyone who wants to has the right to listen to my phone calls...there has been so much harassment I can't even name it all...Can I do anything...I call the police and they say they need evidence and have even reported my phone calls to me...Yesterday, I believe the FBI even tried to stage my death, I went outside and one of my neighbors had a T-shirt on that said Stupidity is not a crime so your free to go now and then I was almost run-over by a semi and the light was green for probably like 30 seconds....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey&#8230;I really need some help&#8230;I have no proof or anything but the fbi has been harrasing me for almost a year&#8230;An employer told me my phone was tapped and that I have to be a narc otherwise I will not have a very good life&#8230;While I was there they sliced me, blew filler dust at me and even had me dump their sump&#8230;I am sick and tired of the fbi&#8230;my neighbers, grocery store clerks, I guess anyone who wants to has the right to listen to my phone calls&#8230;there has been so much harassment I can&#8217;t even name it all&#8230;Can I do anything&#8230;I call the police and they say they need evidence and have even reported my phone calls to me&#8230;Yesterday, I believe the FBI even tried to stage my death, I went outside and one of my neighbors had a T-shirt on that said Stupidity is not a crime so your free to go now and then I was almost run-over by a semi and the light was green for probably like 30 seconds&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Archie1954</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/26/the-fbis-right-to-threaten-torture/#comment-111513</link>
		<dc:creator>Archie1954</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What bothers me about these types of cases (besides the egregious human rights abuses) is  the fact that while the FBI are manufacturing coerced confessions, some real terrorist is possibly getting away with murder. What if in this case there was a real terrorist behind the ownership of the radio? He would have gotten away with his dirty deed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bothers me about these types of cases (besides the egregious human rights abuses) is  the fact that while the FBI are manufacturing coerced confessions, some real terrorist is possibly getting away with murder. What if in this case there was a real terrorist behind the ownership of the radio? He would have gotten away with his dirty deed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/26/the-fbis-right-to-threaten-torture/#comment-111512</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

Was anything done to the cashiered cop that lied about the radio. Seems to me he should be doing jail time and the previous cases that resulted in conviction when he was a cop need to be reviewed.

Is post modern America a great country or not? Just think, you get thrown in jail, undergo a trial based upon lies and at the end have a tidy three dollar profit for your troubles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>Was anything done to the cashiered cop that lied about the radio. Seems to me he should be doing jail time and the previous cases that resulted in conviction when he was a cop need to be reviewed.</p>
<p>Is post modern America a great country or not? Just think, you get thrown in jail, undergo a trial based upon lies and at the end have a tidy three dollar profit for your troubles.</p>
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		<title>By: BOVARD &#187; Editor Bob Vindicates the FBI</title>
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		<dc:creator>BOVARD &#187; Editor Bob Vindicates the FBI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] essay on &#8220;The FBI&#8217;s Right to Threaten Torture&#8221; has been deftly refuted by Bob Weir, the editor of The News Connection down in Texas.   Here is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] essay on &#8220;The FBI&#8217;s Right to Threaten Torture&#8221; has been deftly refuted by Bob Weir, the editor of The News Connection down in Texas.   Here is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk W. Sabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirk W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaysus H the terrorist helpmates are baying now....Blanton's likely correct, this fellow Higazy aint got a prayer. This'll teach em the hazards of coming here and going to school so they can go back and get their pictures taken throwing rocks at us whilst wearing a University of Michigan sweatshirt.

Kafka should file an anti-trust action against the Lone Deecider's Government for infringement upon his plot lines. They've taken all the fun out of imagining the potentials of bad government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaysus H the terrorist helpmates are baying now&#8230;.Blanton&#8217;s likely correct, this fellow Higazy aint got a prayer. This&#8217;ll teach em the hazards of coming here and going to school so they can go back and get their pictures taken throwing rocks at us whilst wearing a University of Michigan sweatshirt.</p>
<p>Kafka should file an anti-trust action against the Lone Deecider&#8217;s Government for infringement upon his plot lines. They&#8217;ve taken all the fun out of imagining the potentials of bad government.</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/26/the-fbis-right-to-threaten-torture/#comment-111505</link>
		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People will do anything police tell them. They will because of the reality based, edited for tv show COPS (Fox network.)

If a cop tells a bank employee to suspend a customer's account the employee will do it. I usually get charged double. If a cop tells an employee or a business owner the customer is a terrorist suspect they'll do exactly what the cop (or cops) want. McVeigh made every angry proponent of gun rights, with a short haircut, a suspect. The Kansas city serial killer made every bogus suspect a suspect indefinitely. Roswell (N.M.) made every conspiracy theorist a crack-pot. The CIA exploited the Roswell incident. When people debunk theories about 9/11 they do it over the rediculous ones (always silent about the one where the US gov't simply instigated the attack.)

And then there is the imminent doomsday example to justify torture: someone has a nuclear bomb in a briefcase while the FBI is holding a suspect who knows this. Does this give the FBI the responsibility to torture the suspect to save the country. The argument is convincing. The important fact is always concealed by the news media; delivering such a sophisticated compact device is nearly impossible, or, equally important, that torture is the only means available to save the country.

The bigger or greater the lie or deception, the more difficult to believe the truth or to uncover it. The people who watch COPS are mostly cops. If you watch it closely you can see the deception. Police keep stuffed animals in the trunks of their "squad" cars to give to the most needy children (image control.) Criminals on foot are miraculously caught (on tape.) The show even places some (innocent) cops in harms way to gain the public's sympathy.

To the cautious observer the show gives it all away and sometimes reveals deceptive police tactics.

Force police to follow important rules. When they knock on your door, out of breath, demanding you let them search your home, tell them to get a warrant. When they imply you're hiding something or you're aiding a criminal tell them you're forcing them to respect important principles, principles more important than the act of catching a single suspect (to advance their careers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People will do anything police tell them. They will because of the reality based, edited for tv show COPS (Fox network.)</p>
<p>If a cop tells a bank employee to suspend a customer&#8217;s account the employee will do it. I usually get charged double. If a cop tells an employee or a business owner the customer is a terrorist suspect they&#8217;ll do exactly what the cop (or cops) want. McVeigh made every angry proponent of gun rights, with a short haircut, a suspect. The Kansas city serial killer made every bogus suspect a suspect indefinitely. Roswell (N.M.) made every conspiracy theorist a crack-pot. The CIA exploited the Roswell incident. When people debunk theories about 9/11 they do it over the rediculous ones (always silent about the one where the US gov&#8217;t simply instigated the attack.)</p>
<p>And then there is the imminent doomsday example to justify torture: someone has a nuclear bomb in a briefcase while the FBI is holding a suspect who knows this. Does this give the FBI the responsibility to torture the suspect to save the country. The argument is convincing. The important fact is always concealed by the news media; delivering such a sophisticated compact device is nearly impossible, or, equally important, that torture is the only means available to save the country.</p>
<p>The bigger or greater the lie or deception, the more difficult to believe the truth or to uncover it. The people who watch COPS are mostly cops. If you watch it closely you can see the deception. Police keep stuffed animals in the trunks of their &#8220;squad&#8221; cars to give to the most needy children (image control.) Criminals on foot are miraculously caught (on tape.) The show even places some (innocent) cops in harms way to gain the public&#8217;s sympathy.</p>
<p>To the cautious observer the show gives it all away and sometimes reveals deceptive police tactics.</p>
<p>Force police to follow important rules. When they knock on your door, out of breath, demanding you let them search your home, tell them to get a warrant. When they imply you&#8217;re hiding something or you&#8217;re aiding a criminal tell them you&#8217;re forcing them to respect important principles, principles more important than the act of catching a single suspect (to advance their careers).</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/10/26/the-fbis-right-to-threaten-torture/#comment-111504</link>
		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People will do anything police tell them. They will because of the reality based, edited for tv show COPS (Fox network.)

If a cop tells a bank employee to suspend a customer's account the employee will do it. I usually get charged double. If a cop tells an employee or a business owner the customer is a terrorist suspect they'll do exactly what the cop (or cops) want. McVeigh made every angry proponent of gun rights, with a short haircut, a suspect. The Kansas city serial killer made every bogus suspect a suspect indefinitely. Roswell (N.M.) made every conspiracy theorist a crack-pot. The CIA exploited the Roswell incident. When people debunk theories about 9/11 they do it over the rediculous ones (always silent about the one where the US gov't simply instigated the attack.)

And then there is the imminent doomsday example to justify torture: someone has a nuclear bomb in a briefcase while the FBI is holding a suspect who knows this. Does this give the FBI the responsibility to torture the suspect to save the country. The argument is convincing. The important fact is always concealed by the news media; delivering such a sophisticated compact device is nearly impossible, or, equally important, that torture is the only means available to save the country.

The bigger or greater the lie or deception, the more difficult to believe the truth or to uncover it. The people who watch COPS are mostly cops. If you watch it closely you can see the deception. Police keep stuffed animals in the trunks of their "squad" cars to give to the most needy children (image control.) Criminals on foot are miraculously caught (on tape.) The show even places some (innocent) cops in harms way to gain the public's sympathy.

To the cautious observer the show gives it all away and sometimes reveals deceptive police tactics.

Force police to follow important rules. When they knock on your door, out of breath, demanding you let them search your home, tell them to get a warrant. When they imply you're hiding something or you're aiding a criminal tell them you're forcing them to respect important principles, principles more important than the act of catching a single suspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People will do anything police tell them. They will because of the reality based, edited for tv show COPS (Fox network.)</p>
<p>If a cop tells a bank employee to suspend a customer&#8217;s account the employee will do it. I usually get charged double. If a cop tells an employee or a business owner the customer is a terrorist suspect they&#8217;ll do exactly what the cop (or cops) want. McVeigh made every angry proponent of gun rights, with a short haircut, a suspect. The Kansas city serial killer made every bogus suspect a suspect indefinitely. Roswell (N.M.) made every conspiracy theorist a crack-pot. The CIA exploited the Roswell incident. When people debunk theories about 9/11 they do it over the rediculous ones (always silent about the one where the US gov&#8217;t simply instigated the attack.)</p>
<p>And then there is the imminent doomsday example to justify torture: someone has a nuclear bomb in a briefcase while the FBI is holding a suspect who knows this. Does this give the FBI the responsibility to torture the suspect to save the country. The argument is convincing. The important fact is always concealed by the news media; delivering such a sophisticated compact device is nearly impossible, or, equally important, that torture is the only means available to save the country.</p>
<p>The bigger or greater the lie or deception, the more difficult to believe the truth or to uncover it. The people who watch COPS are mostly cops. If you watch it closely you can see the deception. Police keep stuffed animals in the trunks of their &#8220;squad&#8221; cars to give to the most needy children (image control.) Criminals on foot are miraculously caught (on tape.) The show even places some (innocent) cops in harms way to gain the public&#8217;s sympathy.</p>
<p>To the cautious observer the show gives it all away and sometimes reveals deceptive police tactics.</p>
<p>Force police to follow important rules. When they knock on your door, out of breath, demanding you let them search your home, tell them to get a warrant. When they imply you&#8217;re hiding something or you&#8217;re aiding a criminal tell them you&#8217;re forcing them to respect important principles, principles more important than the act of catching a single suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Original Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Original Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are all just "helping the terrurrists!"

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are all just &#8220;helping the terrurrists!&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://jimbovard.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Blanton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Blanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember the Higazy incident with the radio but didn't know he had filed suit. I wish him luck, he'll need a lot of it.

I'm sort of surpirsed Agent Templeton hasn't filed a counter-claim for citizen harrassment of a federal officer or defamation of character. After all, in a nation where no real definition of torture exists, what right does Higazy have to impune the integrity of Agent Templeton who merely threatened torture?

I'm sure there are those who believe that Higazy was fortunate in that he wasn't sent to Gitmo for 5 years prior to being released. I'm afraid his case may end up showing there is no limit on how far the feds can go. Remember, courts can't even hear some rendition/torture cases because of national security reasons. 

I wouldn't be shocked if a court ruled that Higazy has filed a frivilous suit and must pay the government for its legal costs. Perhaps my opinion of the legal system may be clouded - I did watch Kafka's "The Trial" on TV last night with Anthony Perkins and Orson Welles on TCM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the Higazy incident with the radio but didn&#8217;t know he had filed suit. I wish him luck, he&#8217;ll need a lot of it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sort of surpirsed Agent Templeton hasn&#8217;t filed a counter-claim for citizen harrassment of a federal officer or defamation of character. After all, in a nation where no real definition of torture exists, what right does Higazy have to impune the integrity of Agent Templeton who merely threatened torture?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are those who believe that Higazy was fortunate in that he wasn&#8217;t sent to Gitmo for 5 years prior to being released. I&#8217;m afraid his case may end up showing there is no limit on how far the feds can go. Remember, courts can&#8217;t even hear some rendition/torture cases because of national security reasons. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be shocked if a court ruled that Higazy has filed a frivilous suit and must pay the government for its legal costs. Perhaps my opinion of the legal system may be clouded - I did watch Kafka&#8217;s &#8220;The Trial&#8221; on TV last night with Anthony Perkins and Orson Welles on TCM.</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say he's dumb.  A bold faced liar is just dumb (why do they say "bald faced liar"). He should be impeached for stupidity.

Ron Paul. Tear down these missile defense systems Mr Shrub. Doctor No is greater than Jefferson and Madison combined. Giulianni tries to cover him up - why.

He was smart to run as a republican. Libertarians got their foot in the door. 


Hamiltonian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say he&#8217;s dumb.  A bold faced liar is just dumb (why do they say &#8220;bald faced liar&#8221;). He should be impeached for stupidity.</p>
<p>Ron Paul. Tear down these missile defense systems Mr Shrub. Doctor No is greater than Jefferson and Madison combined. Giulianni tries to cover him up - why.</p>
<p>He was smart to run as a republican. Libertarians got their foot in the door. </p>
<p>Hamiltonian</p>
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