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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2008/01/30/discussing-ron-paul-etc-thursday-morning-listen-live/#comment-112375</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean - congratulations on your election!

I hope this proves a mighty springboard to the U.S. Senate.  You could do Maine proud!!

Glad to see the Paul campaign finish with strong numbers today.  If they can replicate those numbers on Super Tuesday, then it will be a whole new ballgame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean - congratulations on your election!</p>
<p>I hope this proves a mighty springboard to the U.S. Senate.  You could do Maine proud!!</p>
<p>Glad to see the Paul campaign finish with strong numbers today.  If they can replicate those numbers on Super Tuesday, then it will be a whole new ballgame.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2008/01/30/discussing-ron-paul-etc-thursday-morning-listen-live/#comment-112374</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Dr. Paul will finish in second place here in Maine.  On a lighter note, I was elected to the local GOP County Committee, even though I was at the caucus for a few hours.  The darn thing lasted 6 hours.  Don't they know what they gotten themselves into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Dr. Paul will finish in second place here in Maine.  On a lighter note, I was elected to the local GOP County Committee, even though I was at the caucus for a few hours.  The darn thing lasted 6 hours.  Don&#8217;t they know what they gotten themselves into.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Saul Weiner</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2008/01/30/discussing-ron-paul-etc-thursday-morning-listen-live/#comment-112372</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Saul Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is supremely frustrating to see the campaign literature and ads either downplay or ignore the Iraq War, when these issues have brought such a favorable response in the debates.  The campaign simply does not understand that conventional TV ads will not do for a Ron Paul campaign.  They need to show Paul speaking truth to power, that is it.

Joe's point about overcoming the economic ignorance of the populace is a good one.  Paul's efforts here have been heroic, but he simply cannot do it all himself (not to discount the good work done by others, but it has yet to reach the masses).  There must be sympathetic voices in the MSM, beyond Stossel's great efforts on 20/20.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is supremely frustrating to see the campaign literature and ads either downplay or ignore the Iraq War, when these issues have brought such a favorable response in the debates.  The campaign simply does not understand that conventional TV ads will not do for a Ron Paul campaign.  They need to show Paul speaking truth to power, that is it.</p>
<p>Joe&#8217;s point about overcoming the economic ignorance of the populace is a good one.  Paul&#8217;s efforts here have been heroic, but he simply cannot do it all himself (not to discount the good work done by others, but it has yet to reach the masses).  There must be sympathetic voices in the MSM, beyond Stossel&#8217;s great efforts on 20/20.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2008/01/30/discussing-ron-paul-etc-thursday-morning-listen-live/#comment-112358</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, 
On a brighter note, I see that the Paul campaign hired on Doug Bandow as policy advisor, and Charles Pena and Phil Giraldi as foreign policy advisors.  I also see that they've hired 2 new people for the ad campaign.  
Maybe things will be a changing soon.  Let's hope in time for next Tuesday.
Here in Maine, we are heading for the caucuses, and looks like things will be quite good for Dr. Paul here.  I'll report later on what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
On a brighter note, I see that the Paul campaign hired on Doug Bandow as policy advisor, and Charles Pena and Phil Giraldi as foreign policy advisors.  I also see that they&#8217;ve hired 2 new people for the ad campaign.<br />
Maybe things will be a changing soon.  Let&#8217;s hope in time for next Tuesday.<br />
Here in Maine, we are heading for the caucuses, and looks like things will be quite good for Dr. Paul here.  I&#8217;ll report later on what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2008/01/30/discussing-ron-paul-etc-thursday-morning-listen-live/#comment-112356</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dirk - it would be worth the price of a case of beer to hear one of the candidates reply to a debate "moderator" (@#$#) with 

"Damn right, Skippy!"

-- almost but not quite enough to restore my faith in the political class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dirk - it would be worth the price of a case of beer to hear one of the candidates reply to a debate &#8220;moderator&#8221; (@#$#) with </p>
<p>&#8220;Damn right, Skippy!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211; almost but not quite enough to restore my faith in the political class.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean - thanks for listening. 

Were you living in Maine in '68 when McCarthy thumped LBJ?  Maybe the political waves didn't travel across the White Mountains, but....

I recall watching the LBJ speech in which he made the surprise announcement that he was withdrawing from the presidential race.  Even though McCarthy got rolled later in the primary season, his stand on principle radically altered the American political landscape.

Hope the Paul campaign's ads will zero in on higher ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean - thanks for listening. </p>
<p>Were you living in Maine in &#8216;68 when McCarthy thumped LBJ?  Maybe the political waves didn&#8217;t travel across the White Mountains, but&#8230;.</p>
<p>I recall watching the LBJ speech in which he made the surprise announcement that he was withdrawing from the presidential race.  Even though McCarthy got rolled later in the primary season, his stand on principle radically altered the American political landscape.</p>
<p>Hope the Paul campaign&#8217;s ads will zero in on higher ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim
Heard the show this morning.  Charles is the best period.  My thoughts about the Paul campaign parallel with your feelings.  Who cares he delivered 4,000 babies, the abortion folks are voting for McCain or Romney, the flip floppers.
My feelings is that Paul is paving the yellow brick road for future candidates to take the matel and run with it.  Maybe I'm full of it, but why he isn't doing with Eugene McCarthy did in 1968, is mind boggling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim<br />
Heard the show this morning.  Charles is the best period.  My thoughts about the Paul campaign parallel with your feelings.  Who cares he delivered 4,000 babies, the abortion folks are voting for McCain or Romney, the flip floppers.<br />
My feelings is that Paul is paving the yellow brick road for future candidates to take the matel and run with it.  Maybe I&#8217;m full of it, but why he isn&#8217;t doing with Eugene McCarthy did in 1968, is mind boggling.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean - the newsletters sure as hell didn't help.

I don't know how much impact they have had among potential supporters.

One reason for Paul to vigorously embrace the antiwar issue is to keep the focus on what he aspires to do in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean - the newsletters sure as hell didn&#8217;t help.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how much impact they have had among potential supporters.</p>
<p>One reason for Paul to vigorously embrace the antiwar issue is to keep the focus on what he aspires to do in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Dougherty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Dougherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think the fact that Paul published racist newsletters is depressing his vote count and the enthusiasm of his supporters?  I know my enthusiasm waned after reading about that.  

Sean Dougherty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think the fact that Paul published racist newsletters is depressing his vote count and the enthusiasm of his supporters?  I know my enthusiasm waned after reading about that.  </p>
<p>Sean Dougherty</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, suggested "antidote" for negative thinking:  watch the film &lt;i&gt;Election&lt;/i&gt;, particularly the part where Tammy explains her "platform" ("... as president, I won't do anything. The only promise I will make is that, if elected, I will immediately dismantle the student government so that none of us will ever have to sit through one of these stupid assemblies again!") and ends with "Or don't vote for me! Who cares? Don't vote at all!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, suggested &#8220;antidote&#8221; for negative thinking:  watch the film <i>Election</i>, particularly the part where Tammy explains her &#8220;platform&#8221; (&#8221;&#8230; as president, I won&#8217;t do anything. The only promise I will make is that, if elected, I will immediately dismantle the student government so that none of us will ever have to sit through one of these stupid assemblies again!&#8221;) and ends with &#8220;Or don&#8217;t vote for me! Who cares? Don&#8217;t vote at all!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, so much for this blog resurrecting my positive thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, so much for this blog resurrecting my positive thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: blakmira</title>
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		<dc:creator>blakmira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally think a percentage of votes are being stolen. Even the vote recount in NH is turning into a joke. It's not like the whole voting system hasn't been set up for massive corruption and rigging for years now.  Funny how on the day of a primary, the numbers never seem to go up and certain news stations seem to know the winners hours ahead of time... And Louisiana is still in dispute. Ron Paul may have even placed first there...
What's an American citizen to do, when even your vote can't count, lawsuits for clean elections are dismissed by corrupt judges, and the winners are pre-chosen? Take to the streets and have a REAL revolution??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think a percentage of votes are being stolen. Even the vote recount in NH is turning into a joke. It&#8217;s not like the whole voting system hasn&#8217;t been set up for massive corruption and rigging for years now.  Funny how on the day of a primary, the numbers never seem to go up and certain news stations seem to know the winners hours ahead of time&#8230; And Louisiana is still in dispute. Ron Paul may have even placed first there&#8230;<br />
What&#8217;s an American citizen to do, when even your vote can&#8217;t count, lawsuits for clean elections are dismissed by corrupt judges, and the winners are pre-chosen? Take to the streets and have a REAL revolution??</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to indicate that Jim's colleague I was referring to is Sheldon Richman.  His article is at http://www.fff.org/comment/com0801j.asp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to indicate that Jim&#8217;s colleague I was referring to is Sheldon Richman.  His article is at <a href="http://www.fff.org/comment/com0801j.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.fff.org/comment/com0801j.asp</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that the "American People" in general have a knowledge of economics that approaches zero.  As Jim's colleague at FFF put it today "Not understanding basic economics is dangerous because you're vulnerable to political con games foisted by unscrupulous politicians."  How many high school graduates have had a course in economics?  It's probably similar to the number who have taken a course in physics, but most people can live with the rudiments of what they learned in general science, but where is the equivalent background in economics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that the &#8220;American People&#8221; in general have a knowledge of economics that approaches zero.  As Jim&#8217;s colleague at FFF put it today &#8220;Not understanding basic economics is dangerous because you&#8217;re vulnerable to political con games foisted by unscrupulous politicians.&#8221;  How many high school graduates have had a course in economics?  It&#8217;s probably similar to the number who have taken a course in physics, but most people can live with the rudiments of what they learned in general science, but where is the equivalent background in economics?</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk W. Sabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirk W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to the "kooky" line is to smile ear to ear and say, "Damn right skippy, in a lapsed Republic, any notion of Republican Government would sound kooky"

But what is more kooky is the notion that the American People need a government that is reckless, demigogueic, requires spying on it's own public to qoute "protect them" and has succeeded in bringing millions of people to the brink of penury so a small majority can live like tycoons on a K Street Holiday".

Personally, the people who know they're nuts never worry me nearly as much as the loons who claim sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to the &#8220;kooky&#8221; line is to smile ear to ear and say, &#8220;Damn right skippy, in a lapsed Republic, any notion of Republican Government would sound kooky&#8221;</p>
<p>But what is more kooky is the notion that the American People need a government that is reckless, demigogueic, requires spying on it&#8217;s own public to qoute &#8220;protect them&#8221; and has succeeded in bringing millions of people to the brink of penury so a small majority can live like tycoons on a K Street Holiday&#8221;.</p>
<p>Personally, the people who know they&#8217;re nuts never worry me nearly as much as the loons who claim sanity.</p>
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