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	<title>Comments on: Battle of the Bulge Anniversary &#038; Debacle: Unnecessary Carnage</title>
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	<description>Author James Bovard</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 19:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hildegard Ruppelin</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2009/12/16/battle-of-the-bulge-anniversary-debacle-unnecessary-carnage/#comment-131603</link>
		<dc:creator>Hildegard Ruppelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bis anhin recht wenig los hier im Blogg werde mal später abermals vorbei gucken in der Zuversicht</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2009/12/16/battle-of-the-bulge-anniversary-debacle-unnecessary-carnage/#comment-122383</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave - thanks for providing those details.   
I will be curious to see if David Colley's book stirs more analyses of  how the war could have been ended earlier....  
Tom Fleming's book on The New Dealers' War has great insights on how FDR refused to negotiate with dissident German officers and elements --  something which might have ended the war much sooner... and with millions fewer casualties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave - thanks for providing those details.<br />
I will be curious to see if David Colley&#8217;s book stirs more analyses of  how the war could have been ended earlier&#8230;.<br />
Tom Fleming&#8217;s book on The New Dealers&#8217; War has great insights on how FDR refused to negotiate with dissident German officers and elements &#8212;  something which might have ended the war much sooner&#8230; and with millions fewer casualties.</p>
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		<title>By: david burd</title>
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		<dc:creator>david burd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I shall quote from Commander Harry Butcher's book called My Three Years With Eisenhower, 1942 to 1945.  Butcher was Ike's personal Aide.  The quote is from page 697, Paris, October, 1941.

"I (Butcher) told him (Ike) of our plans for improving press and broadcast facilities and spoke of our efforts to develop the short-wave station at Luxembourg. He (Ike) said this is in the sector where the Germans might relatively easily counterattack in strength, and that I might find myself with a transmitter in German hands.  He said we were holding that sector with relatively light forces because we are building up for the attack north of the Ardennes, and although the Germans also are lightly holding some ninety miles in the Ardennes, they could swing a punch through that sector, if they chose."

Further in his book, Butcher talks quite a bit about Dever and discussion of Dever's forces breaking east and then north coincidental with Allied forces north of the Ardennes breaking through to the east.  Then trapping the Germans between Dever coming from the south and Monty/Americans coming from the northern breakthrough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shall quote from Commander Harry Butcher&#8217;s book called My Three Years With Eisenhower, 1942 to 1945.  Butcher was Ike&#8217;s personal Aide.  The quote is from page 697, Paris, October, 1941.</p>
<p>&#8220;I (Butcher) told him (Ike) of our plans for improving press and broadcast facilities and spoke of our efforts to develop the short-wave station at Luxembourg. He (Ike) said this is in the sector where the Germans might relatively easily counterattack in strength, and that I might find myself with a transmitter in German hands.  He said we were holding that sector with relatively light forces because we are building up for the attack north of the Ardennes, and although the Germans also are lightly holding some ninety miles in the Ardennes, they could swing a punch through that sector, if they chose.&#8221;</p>
<p>Further in his book, Butcher talks quite a bit about Dever and discussion of Dever&#8217;s forces breaking east and then north coincidental with Allied forces north of the Ardennes breaking through to the east.  Then trapping the Germans between Dever coming from the south and Monty/Americans coming from the northern breakthrough.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://jimbovard.com/blog/2009/12/16/battle-of-the-bulge-anniversary-debacle-unnecessary-carnage/#comment-122379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're dead-on regarding Dresden. Kurt Vonnegut did his most famous work regarding that firebombing, and he was captured in the Battle of the Bulge.

My impression is that Eisenhower had no hand in the decision to slaughter civilians in Dresden.  The British took the lead on that one, that the US followed vigorously. 

Eisenhower had great comments on the danger of military power in his final months in office.  Damn shame that is almost totally forgotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re dead-on regarding Dresden. Kurt Vonnegut did his most famous work regarding that firebombing, and he was captured in the Battle of the Bulge.</p>
<p>My impression is that Eisenhower had no hand in the decision to slaughter civilians in Dresden.  The British took the lead on that one, that the US followed vigorously. </p>
<p>Eisenhower had great comments on the danger of military power in his final months in office.  Damn shame that is almost totally forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk W. Sabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirk W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The firebombing of Dresden remains one of the most perfidious acts of warfare against civilians in the history of that long subject. 

At least Ike awoke to the hazard this nation was courting in his time and said something forceful about it. None of the current gutless wonders will so much as utter a peep about the central destructive force operating against the Republic in our time. Chaos is the money-making machine of the ruthlessly murderous and war is the handmaiden of chaos. Only the victor avoids punishment for the excesses of war....for a while, until their pride and hubris are turned inward and they begin to eat their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The firebombing of Dresden remains one of the most perfidious acts of warfare against civilians in the history of that long subject. </p>
<p>At least Ike awoke to the hazard this nation was courting in his time and said something forceful about it. None of the current gutless wonders will so much as utter a peep about the central destructive force operating against the Republic in our time. Chaos is the money-making machine of the ruthlessly murderous and war is the handmaiden of chaos. Only the victor avoids punishment for the excesses of war&#8230;.for a while, until their pride and hubris are turned inward and they begin to eat their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People's memories of atrocities fade after a certain time - or maybe it is a generational thing.

There has been so many atrocities that have occurred since 1945 that it is hard to keep track of them all.

There were allegations that the war crimes trial of the SS men involved in the Malmedy Massacre relied on tortured confessions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre_trial</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People&#8217;s memories of atrocities fade after a certain time - or maybe it is a generational thing.</p>
<p>There has been so many atrocities that have occurred since 1945 that it is hard to keep track of them all.</p>
<p>There were allegations that the war crimes trial of the SS men involved in the Malmedy Massacre relied on tortured confessions. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre_trial" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre_trial</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bart Frazier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart Frazier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had never heard of the Malmedy Masscre Jim. Interesting. Not so uncommon, I suppose, when total war turns men into beasts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had never heard of the Malmedy Masscre Jim. Interesting. Not so uncommon, I suppose, when total war turns men into beasts.</p>
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