{"id":22316,"date":"2026-01-29T08:57:54","date_gmt":"2026-01-29T13:57:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jimbovard.com\/blog\/?p=22316"},"modified":"2026-01-29T22:01:18","modified_gmt":"2026-01-30T03:01:18","slug":"another-dhs-killing-debacle-for-trump-administration-kibbe-on-liberty-podcast","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jimbovard.com\/blog\/2026\/01\/29\/another-dhs-killing-debacle-for-trump-administration-kibbe-on-liberty-podcast\/","title":{"rendered":"Another DHS Killing Debacle for Trump Administration &#8211; Kibbe on Liberty Podcast"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Republicans Are Losing the PR War Over ICE | Guest: Jim Bovard | Ep 369\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/1Wi0_to1bNw?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Matt Kibbe,<\/strong> the chief of<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@freethepeople\" type=\"link\" id=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@freethepeople\"> Free the People<\/a><\/strong>, and I had a lively discussion about why the federal killing of Alex Pretti in Minneapolis is another disaster for the Trump administration. Matt was a congressional chief of staff in the 1990s and he is far more aware of the history of federal atrocities than most libertarians. I appreciated his thought-provoking questions. I will post some excerpts from the transcript later here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here is Matt&#8217;s summary of the interview: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PL36_JCmmBwZrrsXd0VIMJXHBSuWfUm57k\"><\/a><br>In the aftermath of two high-profile shootings related to immigration enforcement in Minnesota, many freedom-loving Americans are concerned about the government&#8217;s disregard for civil liberties and the cavalier use of deadly force by agents who lack adequate training. Regardless of one&#8217;s position on immigration, the optics are not good for Republicans, who will soon have to face the midterm elections. Matt Kibbe sits down with investigative journalist Jim Bovard to discuss the conduct of federal agents, as well as the parallels between the recent shootings and the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident, in which the FBI shot and killed several members of the Weaver family.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-video\"><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Trump&#39;s DHS had the same disaster in Minneapolis that the Bush administration had at Abu Ghraib Prison in Iraq: people with cell phones recording federal atrocities for all the world to see. <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/freethepeople?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@FreethePeople<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/mr4pflbjvH\">https:\/\/t.co\/mr4pflbjvH<\/a><\/p>&mdash; James Bovard (@JimBovard) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/JimBovard\/status\/2016912348234010708?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">January 29, 2026<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Here is my 2 minute summary of federal crimes at Ruby Ridge in 1992.  Unfortunately, federal agents still expect total immunity for unjustified shootings of American citizens.  via <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/freethepeople?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@freethepeople<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/JurxfKooOd\">pic.twitter.com\/JurxfKooOd<\/a><\/p>&mdash; James Bovard (@JimBovard) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/JimBovard\/status\/2016920916727341371?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">January 29, 2026<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Here&#39;s the parallels between Biden&#39;s persecution of January 6 protestors and Trump&#39;s deportation campaign.  I harshly criticized how Biden stretched the definition of terrorism &#8211; and now&#8230;. via <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mkibbe?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@mkibbe<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/dLAReXfc7a\">pic.twitter.com\/dLAReXfc7a<\/a><\/p>&mdash; James Bovard (@JimBovard) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/JimBovard\/status\/2016925864185757827?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">January 29, 2026<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Trump&#39;s DHS wants a \u201cFree Speech Zone\u201d for Minneapolis. 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